Talk:Hasyim Muzadi

Martindo's persistent removal of Sufi order statement
e.g. this. The source (Lukens-Bull 2005 p.22) says "The headmaster, Hasyim Muzadi was ... a khalif (deputy) in the Qadiri-Naksibandia tarekat (Sufi order)" and in Lukens-Bull 2001 p.357: "during the Ramadan 1416 Anno Hijra (1996 Common Era), he was inducted as a khalifa (A.: authorized representative) for a popular Sufi order". In what way is this "vague" and "basically a weasel"? It's about as clear a statement as you can make about this fact. Please avoid removing a well-referenced content without discussion, and then telling people to not restore it. HaEr48 (talk) 02:01, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for finding a more complete statement. My apologies for second revert. I was stuck on your weak justification of the vague statement in your revert of 01:22 on March 20: Lukens said this: "during the Ramadan 1416 Anno Hijra (1996 Common Era), he was inducted as a khalifa for a popular Sufi order".

Now that you have found details, it's not a weasel (e.g., "someone said that he was once inducted as a khalifa in some order"). Thanks for correcting the reference.Martindo (talk) 00:02, 26 March 2017 (UTC)