Talk:Hatecore

--- HateCore historically refers to hardcore bands in the NYC scene later in the 80s, who wanted to point out that their sound was different from the original hardcore bands a few years earlier. Early 90s HateCore was adapted by HCbands with a more metal-sound. They are completely unrelated to the very few RAC bands these days that 'stole' or 'adapted' the terminology. See also the explanation of HateCore by the original inventors of the word: http://www.sfanyhc.com/sfabio.htm (SFA)

Fierman 11:25, 11 October 2006 (UTC)fierman


 * OK, to ensure consistency, I will remove all the hatecore cats and genres from albums and bands who are not NYHC then. Bubba hotep 19:05, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * No, I'm not - I'm changing it back. Yes, hatecore used to be bands like Sheer Terror, but not any more.    - and that's just the first page and a half of putting "hatecore" into Google. Bubba hotep 19:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * No, actually, you might like the compromise. Well done, you just wrote an article without realising it! PS I used to be a Commodore 64 freak and got a program published in UK Commodore Horizons in 1984 with an ammendment in 1985. It wasn't very good! All the best. Bubba hotep 19:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * heh,, was just writing something here trying to suggest something similar to what you just did.. I like the compromise indeed. I could do a small translation from which addresses the topic better. Nice one on your personal c64 history btw! Im pretty sure your program is archived now somewhere :) thank you --Fierman 19:44, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, I saw the German wiki version and I must admit... I'm not very good at German either. Actually, now I come to think of it - I was programming the C64 (BASIC) up until 1994 and I used to listen to this NYHC album (and metal) while doing so. I found it help me concentrate... some found that strange! Bubba hotep 19:57, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

CLEANUP! Or redirect, delete...
What is going on in this thread? This contains no description of what hatecore is, what it's commonly used to mean, or what it sounds like, and yet it's gone through numerous reverts and compromises to produce what, two confused and unrelated sentences? Almost every mention I've seen of hatecore has to do with white power movements. It's used both by non-racists to refer to music in these movements and by the movements themselves. That's pretty much universal acceptance. RAC doesn't seem to be interchangeable with hatecore either, nor does it have to do with bands "who wanted to point out that their sound was different from the original hardcore bands a few years earlier." That may be the vaguest sentence I've ever read on Wikipedia. And, despite being one sentence, it's more than half the article. Definitely in need of some cleanup, or, considering its complete lack of information, outright deletion. 24.211.213.120 03:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to expand it. --Lendorien 18:14, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Some confusion
There is some of amount of confusion between this page, Rock Against Communism and Nazi punk. Can anyone shed any light on the differences, particularly between the first two? Hatecore as I generally used to understand it referred to the bands featured in the first part of the article, and in their context I question the notability of this specific term for a micro-genre (although the bands themselves may well be notable). Hatecore has also obviously be co-opted by a number of journalists to refer to (what sounds to me) like RAC; hatecore as a search term gets more ghits than "Rock Against Communism" but many of these are not in fact to Nazi punk and hardcore music. Unless there is a big difference between the two (there may be, and I just can't see it sourced anywhere), we should probably decide which one we want to use and make the other a redirect. The problem with the term as it refers to Rykers et al. is really one of notability, and is a rather separate issue. Thoughts? Blackmetalbaz (talk) 15:42, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

RAC is a genre that was pioneered by Skrewdriver and draws influences (to varying degrees) from Oi!, punk, southern rock, rock and roll and heavy metal and is characterised by NS and/or white supremacist music.

Hatecore in the sense described in the second half of this artice describes hardcore music with NS or white supremacist lyrics. It is destinct from RAC much the same way punk is destinct from hardcore. hatecore is more aggressive, faster, less melodic, heavier and more dissonant than RAC.

Nazi Punk is a term used to identify punk individuals/bands with NS or white supremacist beliefs. This is used to distinguish them from th majorty of people involved in RAC and Hatecore who identify themselves as skinheads or the majority of punks who identify as laft wing/anarchist, anti-fascist/racist or apolitical.

Hope that helps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.143.236.111 (talk) 20:52, 3 August 2009 (UTC)