Talk:Hatfield College, Durham

Motto
If the college insists on a contemporary colloquialism, would not 'Leaders (sic) of the pack' be closer to the original Latin ? Lonstan 16:45, 13 Oct 2009

The motto literally translates as "Either the first or among the first" The meaning of the motto is that the people of Hatfield are the Leaders or those who guide the Leaders. It is part of the culture formed in the college of the lower classes arriving and becoming part of the upper echelon. Be the best you can be is a commonly used phrase, and commonly used in Latin. The colloquialism is a mistranslation of the Latin and of the spirit of the phrase. The incorrectly stays.SPACKlick 16:38, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Please read Wikipedia's core content-guiding policies, Verifiability and No original research. In a nutshell, Wikipedia is here only to publish that which is commonly accepted; for which our standard is the provision of a reputable and reliable source for that information.  That the colloquialism is used is a fact (Source: ).  That it is incorrect is only an opinion, as far as I can tell - a colloquialism is by its nature only an approximation at the meaning of a phrase, and whether it is correct or not will always be a matter of opinion.  This isn't to say your opinion is wrong; but Wikipedia has policies to avoid us having to decide on such things, by specifying that we only include verifiable and published facts.  TSP 16:50, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

James Barber himself claimed the common translation as a mistake and a misunderstanding of the spirit of the phrase in one of his speeches to the college. I doubt there's a published version. However the colloquialism follows neither the spirit nor the letter of the phrase (which is no way pre-temporaly verbal but situational) and as such the colloquialism is incorrect.

This lower class arrivee (early '70's) prefers the Latin motto, since it is an aspiration which I aspired to. 71.191.165.19 (talk) 17:47, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Will Carling
I notice Will carling is on the list of notable alumni yet on his wikipedia article and other sites it says Will went to Hild Bede andI can find no mention of him having gone to Hatfield other than this page. Can someone confirm or deny either way? 129.234.4.10 11:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The list of Durham Alumni has him at Bede but as of yet no reliable external sources. Looks bogus to me. 127.184.23.73 13:53, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * "Will Carling was a student of Psychology at Hatfield College (1985-1988)"  TSP 17:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Notable Alumni
Why is Richard Metcalfe listed as a Notable Alumni? Not sure if he ever achieved any level of outstanding merit whatsoever. Did he author that line himself? In the same spirit, why am I not listed? Famous emigre who now observes the Washington, DC, power elite from the sidewalk. 71.191.165.19 (talk) 17:52, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Too many lists? Organ scholars, JCR exec, etc
I note the list of organ scholars was mostly removed the other day as "non-notable" except for Kingsley Charles Dunham, who has a Wikipedia article (although he's not famous as an organist). However, the list has started to be populated again. Really, the subsection needs to go completely, or be referenced - have any of the former scholars or chapel directors gone on to a cathedral or other musical institution, for example? I do wonder whether there are too many lists on this article, though - I propose that the full JCR Exec list be reduced to a paragraph and a link to the list on the website. The buildings list is a little unnecessary as well. I think I'll do a little pruning now, but it would be good to get a consensus. Rob (talk) 16:56, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Second oldest?
Hatfield was not the second oldes college, Teh college of the venerable bede was. Hatfield has been associated with the university second longest (after university college) should the wording not be edited to reflect this? SPACKlick (talk) 12:48, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ Aloneinthewild (talk) 21:49, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

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