Talk:Havanese dog

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Link
Links: http://www.google.com/search?num=100&q=+site%3Afci.be+%22havanese%22 Gangleri 02:52, 2004 Oct 24 (UTC)

what does a show-dog havanese look like?
the caption of the photo says it shows the dog in a "puppy cut" which is preferred by many non-show-dog owners. what other appearance would the dog have? Thomas144 13:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Show Havanese are shown with an unclipped coat. The only alterations that are permitted are trimming of the paw hair and hair in the corner of the eyes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.205.202.165 (talk) 04:54, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Should we merge the article on the "Havana silk dog" into this one?
The article on the Havana silk dog seems to be dealing with essentially the same breed, and is not nearly as complete. Should we merge anything new out of that section into this one, and then redirect it here? EastTN (talk) 16:10, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

No. The Havana Silk Dog is a seperate breed. It would be like merging the American Cocker Spaniel and the English Cocker Spaniel. Let's just leave them alone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bespeckled one (talk • contribs) 21:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Another No. Although I am not really happy about the idea of creating "new" ("rare") breeds out of established breeds since it usually is accomplished by further narrowing an already narrow gene pool, that has nothing to do with whether or not the new breed is something separate from the original. The Havana Silk Dog does not appear to be a breed created for marketing purposes by a single kennel, but rather has a breed club "incorporated in the Commonwealth of Virginia as a not-for-profit organization" and claims at least 300 members (this from their website.) Leave them as separate articles. --Hafwyn (talk) 02:55, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

As a Havanese owner and enthusiast, I say "no," also, and everything I know about the subject suggests that the so-called Havanese Silk Dog is a breed created for marketing purposes. Definitely do not merge--may add credibility to a movement that is clearly condemned by the Havanese Club of America (See http://www.havanese.org/Letter_to_AKC_Judges.doc). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.124.33.99 (talk) 19:27, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely not. There is no need for a Havana Silk Dog page except maybe a link directly from it to the Havanese page. Both are referring to the same dog-An AKC registered HavaneseAeky1 (talk) 17:08, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

It sounds like the HSD is a marketing breed, then, and its page should be trimmed down or removed, replaced by a mention on Havanese? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dlo66 (talk • contribs) 00:23, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Definite "NO"! The Havana Silk Dog is a breed that is being refined by selecting away from the health problems that plague the Havanese due to a small gene pool. Havana Silk Dogs were the precursors of the Havanese and as such, a separate breed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.10.135.26 (talk) 21:52, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Dogs accepted into the Havana Silk Dog Association of America are also eligle to be registered with the AKC as Havanese. A lot of people are offended by the idea of excluding dogs from a registry but that's the way it is. Until the parent club for Havanese petitions the AKC to split the breed any dogs registered with the AKC as Havanese are indeed Havanese even if they are dual registered. It is acceptable to start a registry with any dogs anyone chooses. The HSDAA has now over 500 dogs registered, the last time I checked, and had their first National Specialty in an oceanfront hotel ballroom with close to 90 dogs entered who all looked like the same breed. All dogs accepted for breeding submit DNA, have hands on evaluation including to be shown that they are free from Chondrodysplasia, and must PASS REQUIRED health tests. Of course they were selected from the same gene pool as Havanese but have specific things that they are bred away from that are detrimental to the breed. Since they are still AKC Havanese they should still be included in any discussion about Havanese. signed HSDAA enthusiast  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.164.193.129 (talk) 03:07, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Update They're effectively merged now, because I blanked Havana silk dog and redirected it here. The article was nothing but copyvio, and older revisions of it were all like two or three words long.  So for the moment, it makes more sense to redirect it here and maybe include a couple sentences in here explaining the difference between the two.  If someone gets enough material to write a real article about "Havana silk dog," then they can reinstate that article....but only if there's enough to write a real article.  If someone plagiarizes there again I will kick their butt. r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 02:01, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Havanese- Scratching, itchy, dandruff
Hi, Our Havanese seems over the last few months been scratching alot. Some say its dandruff, some say its dry skin. Is there something that we can give our dog to reduce this scratching. She is bathed and combed on a regular basis but she still scratches alot. She must be very uncomfortable. She is three years old and this only started in the last white.

Thanks for the help.

Marilyn: marilyn.fregeau@sympatico.ca —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.189.136 (talk) 19:47, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Scratching has many different causes. Could be parasites, scabies or possible allergies too. The best would be to disclose those, by taking the dog to a veterinarian. On the other hand bathing the dog to often may also cause this sometimes. I would wash the dog now with only clean water and than would stop bathing her for at least 4 weeks, and see what happens. Dogs don’t need bath more often than once a month, unless they get very dirty for some reason. And change the shampoo you are using now. Find a special mild dog shampoo (antiallergic, if possible).

Warrington (talk) 21:48, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Grizzly Bear?
There's no way these things can kill grizzly bears, is there? Someone needs to edit this article... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.108.136.80 (talk) 01:51, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

potty Training
This dog is the best ever - soooo smart, I trained mine to ring the bell to go out when he has to go potty. Makes life sooo easy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.116.232.141 (talk) 22:43, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Im looking into gettinga Havanese. Are they easy to house break or not? please help!

-Tori —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.99.2.143 (talk) 02:22, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

New Yorker excerpt
This is to the addition to the article page about, it seems, typical Havanese character trait called "run-like-hell". I post the entire excerpt here in case a few people can not access The New Yorker.

It is by Adam Gopnik, "Dog Story, How did the dog become our master?" of Aug 8, 2011. He got a Havanese for his daughter. He writes: (pg 47) "But she had another side, too. At the end of a long walk, or a prance around the block, she would come in with her usual happy hop, and then, let off her leash, she would growl and hiss and make Ewok-like noises that we never otherwise heard from her; it was a little scary at first, like the moment in "Gremlins" when the cute thing become a wild, toothy one. Then (pg 48) she would race madly from one end of the hall to the other, bang her head, and turn around and race back, still spitting and snorting and mumbling guttural consonants to herself, like a mad German monarch. Sometimes she would climax this rampage by pulling up hard and shoiwng her canines and directing two sharp angry barks at Olivia, her owner, daring her to do something about it. Then, just as abruptly, Butterscotch would stop, sink to the floor, and once again become a sweet smiling companion, trotting loyally behind whoever got up first. The wolf was out; and then was tucked away in a heart-drawer of prudence. This behavior, Olivia assured us, is a Havanese breed trait, called "run-like-hell", though "Call of the Wild" might be a better name. (Olivia spent hours on the Havanese forum, a worldwide chat board composed mostly of older women who call themselves the small dogs' "mommies" and share a tone of slightly addled coziness, which Olivia expertly imitated....)"WHEELER (talk) 16:49, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Official Havanese Song?
Can I post a song I made up for Havanese? It is sung to the music of "The Siamese Cat Song" from "Lady and the Tramp". The lyrics are ... I am Havanese if you please I am Havanese if you don't please I am a former resident of Cuba I was smuggled over in a Tuba ... that's all I got right now.

67.170.200.114 (talk) 04:38, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Temperament
There seems to be a dissonance between the intro, that states "Havanese will not thrive in an environment where they are isolated for several hours each day", and the Temperament section that pretty much states the opposite: "[...] does not mind spending time away from their owners, as they are very self entertaining dogs. The Havanese is an ideal dog to have in a low maintenance household. [...] They do not mind being kept outside as they are fine with playing with their toys". Sebbarre (talk) 22:32, 17 November 2012 (UTC)My Havanses plays by himself, pulls out his toys and he throws them around, found this out when i left to work and looked inthe living room window to see him go for his toys, also the toys would be all over the house when i come home from work, so I also don't agree with them not like being isolated, but then I built a window seat for him and loves his watching people, cars, birds go by. but then he does have free run of the house.

Merge, round 2
It was suggested before, and the consensus seemed to be to redirect it here, but at some poibnt the article was recreated. I propose that Havana silk dog be merged or redirected here. Despite claims that it is a separate breed of dog from the Havanese, it is referred to here, here, here, here, here, and here as an alternate name for the Havanese. -- T K K  bark !  15:08, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree, merge the two articles, with a redirect from Havana silk dog. WP has an ingenious idea called "sections" which allows different aspects of the same subject to be described in a single article. Narky Blert (talk) 21:21, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

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Potential Improvements
Hello fellow Wikipedians, I will be working on this article for the next couple of weeks for my Technical and Professional Editing class at Texas A&M University. I hope that my potential contributions, along with your welcomed suggestions for improvement, will help this article get one step closer to being classified as an A-class article. Here are some of my ideas: If anyone has any other ideas or objections - please feel free to disclose! I am open to all feedback and more than willing to work together to improve this article. Ands1234 (talk) 22:20, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I believe the lead contains some great information in some areas, but, in others, provides too much detail that could be found in later sections. If it was revised to summarize only the most important parts of the article, it would give readers a better overview of the article's content.
 * The "Description" sections contains some sentences that reflect opinions (for example, the first sentence describes the breed as sturdy but not overly delicate). With a more neutral point of view, the depth of the detail provided would really stand out.
 * The same improvements could be applied to other sections, like the "Coat" section. These sections should be strictly informative to give readers an unbiased overview of the breed. A neutral description of the various types of Havanese coats would give this section a major boost.
 * The "Temperament" sections needs additional citations. If anyone knows of any good articles to reference for this section, please share!

My daughter
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