Talk:Hawke's Bay

Moved and merged
There were two pages, "Hawke's Bay" and "Hawke's Bay region" - the latter a stub. I combined them and moved them here, to avoid confusion with Hawke Bay (i.e., the bay itself). Grutness 09:31, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * General Wikipedia policy is not to disambiguate in the article title unless and until it is necessary. Since Hawke's Bay and Hawke Bay are different, we don't need the (region) after Hawke's Bay. On the other hand, I can see how it could be confusing so after moving the article back to Hawke's Bay I've put disambiguation messages at the top of both articles. Ben Arnold 06:06, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Spelling of article title
The article says it's about the local government region and also says that the official spelling is without an apostrophe. In that case, shouldn't the article title be Hawkes Bay with Hawke's Bay redirecting to it, rather than the other way around as now? 66.96.28.244

Link correction
Link labled "Hawkes Bay Official Site" is an private citizen's creation of a portal page. I added a link to the Hawke's Bay EDA site that links to all the council websites in the Hawkes Bay region.

Image
I have uploaded a new image for Hawkes Bay (Image:Hawkes Bay NZ.jpg) to wikicommons and categoried the existing ones: see commons:Category:Hawke's Bay. Maybe one of them would be a good image for this page. I have never been there, so I'll leave it upto someone else to decide.--Konstable 13:30, 10 June 2006 (UTC) Bold text

Capitalisation of "region"
The capitalisation of "region" in the article title seems to be an error. The article states that Hawke's Bay is a region of New Zealand. The word "region" is not a proper noun in this context, and because it is not part of the official name of the region, it's arguably redundant in the title anyway; the article could, without confusion, be named "Hawke's Bay" -- or "Hawke's Bay (region)" -- with the disambiguation hatnote referring to the body of water (Hawke Bay) remaining immediately below it. BlackCab (talk) 05:30, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Northland Region which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 22:59, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Overkill
The following statements appear in the article:
 * 1) "Hawke's Bay is recognised on the world stage for its award-winning wines" (unreferenced)
 * 2) "Hawke's Bay is renowned for its horticulture with large orchards and vineyards on the plains". (unreferenced)
 * 3) "Hawke's Bay produces some of New Zealand's finest wines" (unreferenced)
 * followed by a section headed "Wine" which says
 * 4. "Missionaries in the mid 19th century planted the first vines in Hawke's Bay and it is now becoming an important place for full bodied red wines. As of January 2010, there are an estimated 75 wineries located across Hawke's Bay.".

This needs a rewrite. Moriori (talk) 00:20, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 14 May 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:53, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Hawke's Bay Region → Hawke's Bay – Per WP:SMALLDETAILS, there is no need for the natural disambiguation of ...Region here as the bay itself is known as Hawke Bay. This would be consistent with other regions of NZ that do not require disambiguation, including Otago and Manawatū-Whanganui. I note that the proposed new location is already a redirect to this page. Turnagra (talk) 00:59, 14 May 2022 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support I agree that "Region" isn't needed as the simplified title will still be different to the body of water.  Schwede 66  02:45, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Support. Seems a sensible move, Hawke's Bay is the common name and there doesn't seem to be any benefit from including 'region'. Chocmilk03 (talk) 01:52, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment If this article is primary for Hawke's Bay, then the article should be moved there per nom. However, I think we need to consider whether it is primary, given the existence of Hawke's Bay Beach and Hawke's Bay Town in Pakistan. BilledMammal (talk) 04:33, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Did you check this before commenting? The region is pretty clearly the primary topic out of those. Turnagra (talk) 04:44, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I did, which is why I didn't oppose the move, but I also didn't support it as the town in Pakistan has a population of 250,000 people and it is possible that it is enough to mean there is no primary topic here. BilledMammal (talk) 04:56, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Although I am opposing the merge proposal, Pakistan is not generally considered a main stream English-speaking country, their town is unheard of and isn't significant enough to be considered a candidate for a primary article. 2001:8003:9008:1301:E533:402F:13A3:8C03 (talk) 05:35, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Question. What is going on |Hawke%27s_Bay_Beach|Hawke%27s_Bay_Town|Hawkes_Bay_(New_Zealand_electorate) here with the large volume of page views for Hawkes Bay (New Zealand electorate)? And where did those views go? Dekimasu よ! 05:25, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I have no idea, it's something I've been trying to figure out too. It's not a current electorate so it's not as if there was a political reason for it (by-election, scandal etc). I had a look at a couple other historical electorates at random and couldn't see a similar jump (in case it was something to do with a template), and there's nothing in the page's history that'd indicate it. HTGS and Gonnym, you two edited that page around the time the views increased significantly for a bit, any ideas? Turnagra (talk) 08:57, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I just replaced templates. No idea about anything else. Gonnym (talk) 09:57, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * No clue, sorry. I would definitely discount it though, as the only other times I've seen similar it's been a weird redirect/link error, or a non-human bot/non-representative browser. — HTGS (talk) 23:52, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I think they are automated views, given the consistency and the fact that almost all of them are desktop views. BilledMammal (talk) 13:06, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose They are not the same thing. We should create separate articles for Hawke's Bay (the geographical feature), Hawke's Bay Region (the political unit), and Hawke's Bay Regional Council (the local government). Similarly, we should also split Bay of Plenty into Bay of Plenty and Bay of Plenty Region (we already have Bay of Plenty Regional Council as a separate article, so that's all good). 2001:8003:9008:1301:E533:402F:13A3:8C03 (talk) 05:26, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
 * We already have a separate article for the geographical feature – Hawke Bay. Or do you mean a differently defined geographical feature? Nurg (talk) 06:05, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, in that case, we have to retain Hawke's Bay Region as the article name. Otherwise, both Hawke Bay and Hawke's Bay look too similar and people will get confused about these articles. 2001:8003:9008:1301:E533:402F:13A3:8C03 (talk) 12:44, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Per WP:SMALLDETAILS, we don't. Given there are separate articles at Ice cube and Ice Cube, I think this is fine. Turnagra (talk) 18:35, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Support as proposed. Sensible and supported by policy. — HTGS (talk) 23:28, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Support as proposed. I think any potential confusion can be addressed by using the about template (or similar) at the top.—Jon (talk) 04:56, 30 May 2022 (UTC)