Talk:Hawthorn, Wiltshire

Merge
I would suggest merging Burlington with Hawthorn, since the latter is the larger article. I'm not sure about the request to raise the standard of the article; it looks fine to me.

Murals
I made a request to the MoD under the freedom of information act for photographs of the painted wall murals. They are available at: http://www.defenceimagedatabase.mod.uk/fotoweb - search for "Corsham Murals" Not sure how to add this information to main article so I thought I would put it here. Tascio 09:37, 8 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Amazing. Unfortunately the images are crown copyright and copyright the artist, but they may be useable here under the fair use policy. In the meantime, the first image is here  and it should be enough to click Next (top right) to flick through the full set.  Poor Olga Lehman had a lot of time on her hands.  --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 00:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Box Tunnel
The Box Tunnel article states that the junction for the bunker lies just outside the tunnel. This article says otherwise. Can anyone with local knowledge say for certain which is right? Rojomoke 10:55, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

RAF Hawthorn
My father (S/Ldr James MacFie) was CO of RAF Hawthorn from 61-63. AFAIK it was SW ComCen, part of RAF Signals Command. A seperate facility I guess. Wwwhatsup (talk) 10:05, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * This is an exceedingly belated response, but I don't believe that RAF Hawthorn(e) ever officially existed. There was a detachment of RAF Rudloe Manor, known to the RAF as Hawthorn site or Hawthorn Det; this site is located just north of Basil Hill Barracks on Skynet drive. It's still operational, but is now managed by Astrium Services after the MoD privatized Skynet back in about 2001. Perhaps this is the place you are referring to? Pol430   talk to me  20:26, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * This is total OR recollection but to the best of my knowledge Hawthorn was a separate entity to Rudloe Manor. It was way underground, with just a small hut signifying the entrance. If you can find documentary eevidence to contradict I won't argue. I can ask my mother, still living. Signals Command generally is under-documented. There was a promise of a history around 2000, but I think the author died before completing the task. Wwwhatsup (talk) 23:48, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Agree with you re the lack of sources. I'm currently trying to pull together some reliable sources to write the 1001 Signal Unit article, but it's difficult to find anything for the reasons you mention. From what you describe, I think you're talking about the old GOSCC centre (which was basically a comcen). It could be that it used to be RAF Hawthorn, the names and site boundaries have changed recently with the development of MoD Corsham and the new GOSCC building (now above ground). It still exists, and the entrance is indeed little more than a hut. It's now located within the perimeter of MoD Corsham. That's all OR of course... Pol430   talk to me  09:33, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

This article is complete misnomer
Hawthorn shows up as a place on Google maps, as does Rudloe, but neither can be properly be called villages (perhaps they were once?). This article discusses CAD Monkton Farleigh which is a considerable distance from the area known as Hawtorn on the maps. It then goes on to discuss RAF Rudloe Manor, and various other MoD establishments, which are already subject to their own articles on Wikipedia. Two questions: 1) what is the purpose of this article? Much of the content is already covered in other articles and the text repeated here is superfluous at best or, at worst, a violation of CC-BY-SA 3.0. 2) Where did the notion that the various defence sites around the Corsham area are collectively referred to as "Hawthorn" come from? As far as I can tell, some author made it up in his book... I'm redirecting the page to Corsham per Wikipedia's generally accepted standard for geographic locations. Pol430  talk to me  21:28, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

I would tend to disagree. Hawthorn was/is a distinct geographical location, and sufficiently distant from Corsham to merit its own article. The use of the name to define RAF stations make it notable in its own right. As for the cc-by-sa argument, what part of cc don't you understand? Wwwhatsup (talk) 18:41, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I have no issue with Hawthorn, as a geographic location, having an article in its own right -- assuming that something tangible and verifiable can be written about it. The notion that a location is automatically notable because an RAF Station was named after it is at variance with WP:N; and, even if it were not, we still don't have a reliable source to say RAF Hawthorn actually existed. If you care to re-read my CC-BY-SA statement, you will note that I didn't state a violation existed, I merely stated that with much duplicate text, there was the potential for a violation to exist. In answer to your question, as a copyright investigator, I have a full understanding of the licensing conditions. Pol430   talk to me  21:44, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I actually live in Hawthorne in the late 60's. My dad was in the RAF and and worked in the underground military communications centre over the road from the post office. There was a small group of prefabricated single story houses and a Nissan hut put up sometime after the last war just down the road from the post office (The nissan hut was a local club before being demolished and replaced by the Flamingo night club in the 70's). The prefab building were used as temporary married quarters for the servicemen who moved into the area before moving up the hill to Rudloe Manor on Ivy Lane. I lived there for perhaps 6 month to a year before moving to Rudloe..I distinctly remember it was the summer of the first moon landing by apollo 11. Hawthorne is a real place but i would not say a village by any means but had a road sign. It was also the name of the post office too and believe this was established to serve the various military establishments in the area as well as the local villages close by. There was a primary (6-11 year olds) school just over the (West Wells) road which I attended until the age of 11 and served the local communities of West Wells, Neston and Potley as well as Rudloe. There was a naval establishment between Hawthorne and the village West Wells called HMS Royal Arthur. Initially, Rudloe was split into three areas, a local authority Council housing estate which had a single shop at it heart, RAF Rudloe Manor Married quarters on the east side of Ivy Lane, which homed the RAF servicemen's families and RAF Rudloe Manor Officers Quarters which were on the west side of the same road. On Ivy Lane there was an old house with a large garden and orchard. This land was eventually sold off in the 70's for houses along the Bradford as were the field further along Ivy Lane towards the A4 Bath Road. A new Primary school was built much later and the primary school in Hawthorn closed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.23.225.8 (talk) 17:44, 28 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I’m not sure if this post will be accepted. I am 86 and was stationed at RAF HAWTHORN for just I month in early 1958.
 * Walking from Box village up the hill on the A4, passing the Rudloe Manor House gates, turned right for Hawthorn. I followed road signs for Hawthorn.
 * The RAF camp, which was clearly signed RAF HAWTHORN on the usual type sign with roundel.
 * The Post Office was next door and also The Hawthorn British legion club.
 * The hut referred to was actually a brick building, about the same size as a small electricity sub station. The unit was a 180ft down.
 * SAC. 2.101.66.92 (talk) 12:32, 16 November 2023 (UTC)