Talk:Hawthorne, Florida

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No section on the history of Hawthorne? Not a single word on the topic? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.144.213.97 (talk) 13:00, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

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mini review
A couple of notes as I am reading through
 * platted -> plotted? no, it turns out I learned something. The second usage indicated it is just an unfamiliar term to me, and I'm largely ignorant of the relevant terminology. Is a link warranted, or is the term familiar enough to most?
 * I am linking it because, I suppose, that unless you've owned a house in the US and really looked into how your neighborhood was made, that word is not familiar.
 * I'm looking forward to slipping it into conversation.


 * boll weevil, I looked for a link to the historical event. The article and Boll Weevil Eradication Program give a little context, but so does this article.
 * Linked to boll weevil infestation section which then has link in next section to what you proposed. The infestation section is imo more relevant to the time frame of the Hawthorne article.
 * Someone (else) should write up content on the economic and social impact, it's quite a big deal I thought and I recall literary references to the infestation.


 * "Not a decade after …" the phrasing adds emphasis, but some might quibble as a matter of style.
 * A creative writer I am not. LOL. Corrected. Also, that phrasing might confuse English-as-a-second-language readers.
 * Always a good consideration, ESL, sometimes a nuanced phrase in Australian English is too informal for international English.


 * "and better times. Agriculture changed …" expand on 'changes' in first sentence, 'land use was converted to Y because the soil was exhausted/saline/ by X'. And are the 'better times' qualified or quantified in the source, economically or socially?
 * "Better times" were not clarified in the source (from memory because I had to return the book to the library). Found another source and I remember now why I wrote that. I think I made an assumption that people know the general time frame of WWII. There's no reason anyone should, especially younger people and readers from countries that didn't participate. I took it out because I have no way of quantifying it right now.
 * Now that I took out "better times", do you think that I still need to expand on changes? The intention was that the changes were in the rest of that paragraph.
 * It seems fine now, without checking what you did.


 * No link for Commission–Manager style of governance?
 * Do you mean an internal link (because it has an external one). I can't find one which is why I linked outside. The closest one on Wikipedia doesn't one for one match the description at the external link.
 * Only slightly bothered, and I may be applying old-school rules. Odd that that is not covered here, I would redlink to avoid an ext link inline. Maybe a note if challenged.


 * I try to keep links out of quotes, the cracker style might be clarified after the quote.
 * Keeping it because there's not much to expand on in that section that relates to Hawthorne. Although if I check out that book again I can probably add a section that lists all the different architecture in historic homes in the area. The only reason I linked it is that "cracker" is mistakenly thought of as always being a derogatory term for white Americans. If I do an expansion, I will link the style in the architecture area. Thanks again for all your notes! PopularOutcasttalk2me! 14:40, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I was aware both usages, and thought there was an easter egg effect: surprise, not what you thought. an unpiped link can't be used in the quote.

Other than that I feel like I have been there, I hope there is something useful above. cygnis insignis 04:19, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * , there is! Thank you for this and I will correct forthwith. PopularOutcasttalk2me! 13:49, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Wow, this is really shaping up. Some more comments? cygnis insignis 01:42, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * "Humans have been living in the Hawthorne area since prehistoric times …" while 'humans' avoids the traditional 'Man' of History, I prefer 'People' as a term in this context. Anyway, can the term prehistoric be refined, some mention of eras or epochs prior to documented periods? I suppose this is in the linked articles, I didn't look, for those who are interested and there is nothing to do here.
 * Hey, thanks for the additional input. It is in the links but might as well not make people chase it down. Better? Also, I didn't realize that I shouldn't be using prehistoric to mean prehistoric Americas. I got that word from the main book I used for the history section. PopularOutcasttalk2me! 02:24, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The copyedit was really good. Miniapolis did an excellent job. I feel like a crap copyeditor now! LOL. PopularOutcasttalk2me! 02:26, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , I can empathise with that, I had the same thing happen to me ;–) cygnis insignis 02:42, 12 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Bo Diddley lived there! Musician … well it not wrong. I would have mentioned that in the lead, the article mentions he helped build his own house when he moved there. cygnis insignis 03:04, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , a lot of the sources conflict on this. Apparently he lived outside of the city limits of Hawthorne. The reason I would hesitate to add him is that he didn't leave a legacy in the town as far as I could find. I searched a lot to try to find where he lived, where the production studio was, etc. The other towns in Alachua County do show things, like a plaza, or he is buried there, or he created a foundation. Dunno. <b style="color:#008080">Popular</b><b style="color:#8A2BE2">Outcast</b>talk2me! 04:29, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , Yeah, it was umm … a test, yeah, I was testing to confirm how conscientious you are, that's what happened :P May be flag it on the article talk, someone might find something from a bio? I also listened to the pronunciation guide in the lead this morning, another string in your bow? cygnis insignis 04:55, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , My initial contributions to Wikipedia were all recordings. The Spoken Wikipedia project was alive and kicking then. Don't listen to my early recordings ... they are pretty bad. I've recorded a few things lately ... mostly from Wikisource. I got a new mic last month and have only recorded one thing since then and haven't really figured out how best to set up for good sound recording... so much has happened. I've now been sick for like 15 days. Once I am better, I will split my time between the copyediting and recording. I get easily bored so having more than one project is good. <b style="color:#008080">Popular</b><b style="color:#8A2BE2">Outcast</b>talk2me! 05:09, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , ping me there if you are puzzled by anything, I know my way around wikisource. I also highly recommend you introduce yourself to this user and maybe mention what you are doing at central discussion. cygnis insignis 05:34, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , I thought I had replied to you yesterday about this. I did post at central discussion. I did not introduce myself to the user mostly because after looking at the user page, I didn't understand why you wanted me to do that. Could you explain? Thanks! <b style="color:#008080">Popular</b><b style="color:#8A2BE2">Outcast</b>talk2me! 10:52, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , because I hold that user in high esteem: civility, caution, experience awareness, admin tools and a polite manner … not sure what else to say. I've never met them, but we have collaborated on several mini-projects and I have come to regard them as a friend. The users who responded were good to do so, even tho' my name was invoked, but if you want another recommendation then Mpaa or beeswaxcandle are also exceptional contributors who respond well to enquiries. cygnis insignis 12:22, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , okay, cool, I will keep all of them in mind when I have a question. I don't think I contribute sufficiently to the project to really bother anyone right now. Thanks! <b style="color:#008080">Popular</b><b style="color:#8A2BE2">Outcast</b>talk2me! 12:28, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , not the most welcoming of welcomes I thought. My position is what you are doing is a 'version' and that it can be linked from the title of the work. Even if there is only a complete section of a larger work, no regular library would do it differently; what you are doing is valuable and SOP for alternative formats and accessibility. That said, I haven't felt good about saying anything at all and apologise for bringing it up. Sincerely, cygnis insignis 12:55, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , that's true but I am just doing a lot of it right now. Please don't apologize. You can't control other people. It's text. I will assume kindness behind the words until there's no choice but to take it another way. <b style="color:#008080">Popular</b><b style="color:#8A2BE2">Outcast</b>talk2me! 13:09, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Cotton and the boll weavil
I've done a little research on cotton production in Alachua County. I wrote a blog post on the subject Sea Island Cotton. Can't cite the blog, but the sources I list at the end may be of interest. - Donald Albury 17:57, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , thanks! I'll check it out. <b style="color:#008080">Popular</b><b style="color:#8A2BE2">Outcast</b>talk2me! 22:39, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , was looking at your web page and saw that you have an interest in model railroads. I found in some source that Hawthorne had a model railroad store in the building that was the old union depot. I've only ever seen that source and I think it was a blog, not sure. I could not find anything online and wondered if you knew. <b style="color:#008080">Popular</b><b style="color:#8A2BE2">Outcast</b>talk2me! 22:52, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I've heard about it, but that it is a private collection, not a store. I don't know if it is ever open to the public. Sorry, I don't know any more about it. - Donald Albury 23:38, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , Interesting. Maybe I can call their library and find out if anyone knows them. Thanks so much for the info. <b style="color:#008080">Popular</b><b style="color:#8A2BE2">Outcast</b>talk2me! 23:44, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I heard aboout it from someone at the model rr club. I could ask about it, but I will miss the meeting tomorrow. Maybe I can find out something next week. - Donald Albury 02:04, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , I mean, I am not sure what I would do with the information. I guess it's just interesting because I came across it while doing research for the article. I remember it was a picture and I just found it again on Florida Memory. pic 1, pic 2. There are a couple of other pictures. I get no good hits when I search for Rail Side House Museum or when I search for Ron Kelly Hawthorne Florida railroad. Since there's no original research, unless Mr. Kelly has a pamphlet that I can scan and upload, I don't know how I would add it to the article. I don't get the feeling that the model railroad is of the city of Hawthorne. Thanks for taking me down this interesting road (track? lol) again. <b style="color:#008080">Popular</b><b style="color:#8A2BE2">Outcast</b>talk2me! 03:12, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Harvard system citations
This is probably one of the few articles I've seen use the Harvard style of references - my brain had to adjust for a little bit on how the inline citations were done. I think using this format is a feat in itself. I would probably stray away from using the Notes inline citation along with this as I believe the population change can simply reference the difference between the 2000 and 2010 Census. (The 5 year rolling average - which shows 2017 estimates on population - will probably show an increase since 2010.) – The Grid  ( talk )  15:31, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
 * , Yes, the Harvard style is a feat to use but I used it to show different pages in the same book. The history section comes mostly from one book and I wanted to make it easy for people to look up. This was the way I found to be able to do that. I used WP:CITEX for help.
 * Now, I am not sure what you mean in the rest of your comment. Are you asking why I separated the different years even though they all use the fact finder page? Or are you asking why I put a note in to reference the population table? <b style="color:#008080">Popular</b><b style="color:#8A2BE2">Outcast</b>talk2me! 15:56, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The note to reference the population table. I don't think the note is needed and you could probably explicitly state the population decline from the 2000 and 2010 Census. – The Grid  ( talk )  17:05, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
 * , Ah, I see what you mean. Let me think on it for a bit. I think my original reasoning was that we hadn't come to the demographics section yet and it would interrupt the flow. If you can think of a good way to say it that matches the flow, please edit the article. I am up for anyone making improvements to Wikipedia. Thanks for your feedback. <b style="color:#008080">Popular</b><b style="color:#8A2BE2">Outcast</b>talk2me! 18:00, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
 * , Ah, I see what you mean. Let me think on it for a bit. I think my original reasoning was that we hadn't come to the demographics section yet and it would interrupt the flow. If you can think of a good way to say it that matches the flow, please edit the article. I am up for anyone making improvements to Wikipedia. Thanks for your feedback. <b style="color:#008080">Popular</b><b style="color:#8A2BE2">Outcast</b>talk2me! 18:00, 25 January 2019 (UTC)