Talk:Hayley Smith (American Dad!)

Hayley's spiritual faith
I personally don't think that Hayley is an Atheist. Just because she said that God was fake and mocked the minister's way of preaching doesn't mean she's an atheist, it simply means she doesn't believe in God.


 * Um, that's what an atheist is - someone who doesn't believe in God. Mokele (talk) 05:05, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I thought an atheist was someone who doesn't believe in any god or religion at all! She may just not be a christian you know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakegothic (talk • contribs) 22:56, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Hayley's religious beliefs should be changed to agnostic or ambiguous, or something along those lines. It is hinted at that she may be atheist in the first season, but in the second season as she battles to overcome cancer, she promises God she will stop Roger from exploiting migrant workers on his wine farm in the Smiths' back yard if He helps her beat it, which she duly does. Therefore it could be argued that she believes in God but was simply attempting to provoke a reaction out of Francine when she made her comment likening God to the Trix Rabbit because they're 'both fake'. Strathglen (talk) 21:56, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Ambiguous is more accurate than agnostic, if it need be mentioned at all--TimothyJacobson (talk) 14:32, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Age
In the episode The Vacation Goo Hayley is drinking alcohol with her parents in the Hot air baloon and earlier in the episode when they are on the cruise ship Stan says "C'mon Hayley Let's go to the bar." Wouldn't this mean that Hayley is 21? Season 1 - 18 - 19, Season 2 - 19 - 20, Season 3 - 20 - 21?
 * Or it just means Stan is an irresponsible parent who is trying to distract his daughter with the first thing he thinks of. CouplandForever (talk) 08:16, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well she sleeps with boys, and her parents don't sem to mind. And she is old enough to get married.  These are clues to her age but I don't think it is ever stated for sure.  (The American Dad wiki says she is 18, but I haven't found any conclusive proof).--TimothyJacobson (talk) 14:32, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * NB, characters don't necessarily change their age between/during seasons.--TimothyJacobson (talk) 14:34, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * In the episode "The Kidney Stays in the Picture" Stan and Francine travel back to 1996 to find Joel Larson, Hayley's possible father. If she was conceived in 1996, no matter what month, she would be at oldest 16 in 2012. (207.210.134.83 (talk) 21:38, 15 October 2012 (UTC))
 * Remember that she attends Groff Community College so obviously she is at least 18. I think the whole 1996 going back in time thing is not canon to the series. TheGoofyGolfer (talk) 14:44, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Dreamsmasher/Dream Smasher
I changed her name listed to Dream Smasher because thats what it says in the transcript felinoel (talk) 06:23, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Haley or Hayley?
I'm 100% certain her name is spelled Hayley, I've seen numerous things with her on it that were spelled as Hayley on both the official website and on official merch. In the episode Pulling Double Booty, however, it is mentioned twice in subtitles they spelled it as Haley. I'm uncertain if they made a spelling error or what, but until further notice, I think we should keep every mention of her name spelled as Hayley, to avoid confusion, seeing as it's been spelled as Hayley for so long.71.228.30.53 (talk) 05:23, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Also, that's her name according to the one written in a banner in the episode Stannie Get Your Gun (you can see it at the top of its wiki page). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.141.115.132 (talk) 00:29, 5 February 2011 (UTC)


 * In the episode "Helping Handis" the title card for the film Hayley made about Francine says "Hayley Smith". 58.167.192.173 (talk) 13:41, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

The Religion part reads ridiculous
Hayley Smith is clearly an Atheist. --AaThinker (talk) 18:09, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it seems like people attempt to "decode" her "real" beliefs as if she were a real person. She's broadly non-theist, one might take, with occasional Neopagan references because she's a caricature in some respects of certain sorts of neoliberal young women. There isn't a consistency principle there. Non-conformist and liberal are really the only defining characteristics. Also, the whole section constitutes original research...~ZytheTalk to me! 19:48, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Requested move 2010

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The result of the move request was: page moved. – ukexpat (talk) 19:26, 18 December 2010 (UTC) ukexpat (talk) 19:26, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Hayley Fischer → Hayley Smith (American Dad!) — Move back to here, it is her WP:COMMONNAME throughout the series, and gives WP:UNDUE weight to one recent episode. Who knows how long this marriage will last in the show. C T J F 8 3 chat 20:52, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Can we salt the Hayley Fischer page so that people can stop moving this one there? I can guarantee no one is searching for the character by that, and would almost certainly use the common name (perhaps without the dab).~ZytheTalk to me! 02:57, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
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Hayley/Meg comparisons
The section concerning Hayley's supposed similarities to Meg Griffin should either be properly sourced or removed altogether as it appears to be mostly poorly thought-out bullshit at worst, a rather selective reading of the show at best. In terms of respect, Stan only really seems to respect Stan, and there are moment where all the other main characters are treated poorly by Stan, not just Hayley. Regardless, source it or lose it.172.190.58.196 (talk) 23:03, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Couldn't agree more  C T J F 8 3  11:39, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The system works! Thanks for doing the heavy lifting.172.190.71.211 (talk) 00:04, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 2011

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No consensus' to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:57, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Hayley Smith (American Dad!) → Hayley Smith – She is much more notable than the Haley Smith, which page has no sources and might not be notable at all. JDDJS (talk) 00:43, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Haley or Hayley? —Tamfang (talk) 00:56, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I have changed it to "Hayley", as that is definitely that name of the character. Jenks24 (talk) 03:30, 3 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment "Home and Away" is pretty popular. 65.93.12.8 (talk) 05:52, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree with the above. Home and Away is a pretty popular through Australia (and elsewhere). I think that the disambiguation page is fine as it is. - danjel  (talk to me) 06:37, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Not to be rude, but if the show is so popular, why is the article in such bad shape? Do you have references to prove that Hayley is a popular character on that show? Because if so please add them. JDDJS (talk) 10:57, 3 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose...and I only know of the Am Dad character, and watch the show all the time. JDD, you say the Am Dad character is more notable...what are you basing that on?....and I hardly think the popularity of a show is directly related to the quality of the article. The American Dad! article is pretty shitty too. C T J F 8 3  11:53, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * CT, you'd at least agree that the disam page should be killed in favor of a redirect to one of the articles, no?  Purpleback pack  89  ≈≈≈≈  21:12, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * No, neither seems to be the primary topic...we'll see how the AfD goes. C T J F 8 3  21:23, 3 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment. Unsure about this one. Had a look at the page view stats (can provide links if required) and the American Dad! character has a lot more views than the Home and Away character (though I suspect recentism may play at least some sort of role there). Looked at the google news archive and there were slightly more hits for the Home and Away character, but it was almost even. According to Bec Cartwright's article (the actress who played Hayley Smith on Home and Away) she won a Logie Award for Most Popular Actress for her role. At the moment I'm probably leaning oppose because I can't see enough evidence that the American Dad! character is the clear primary topic. Just a note to JDDJS that the quality of the article has little (if anything) to do with page naming; in case you didn't know, the relevant guideline is at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Jenks24 (talk) 13:07, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Support move, or at least redirecting Hayley Smith here per WP:TWODABS.  Purpleback  pack  89  ≈≈≈≈  18:40, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Pretty poor form about the AfD, IMHO. Anyway, I have !voted strong keep there. Back to the RM though, why should it be moved? You haven't given any indication that this character is the primary topic. Jenks24 (talk) 04:45, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I would also note that this article contains no independent sources at all, yet you don't see those of us opposing the move nominating it for deletion. Jenks24 (talk) 04:48, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I stand 100% by the decision to nominate a two-sentence article with no references of any kind that had been that way for over two years for deletion. With a two-pronged disambiguation, you only need to prove that one is just a little more popular than the other; and you can just hatnote to the other.  If you look at, say, page view stats (which are a common determiner of primary topic), you find the margin for this article is 8 to 1.  For the Australian character, assuming it's kept (which it shouldn't be), you'll just get sent to it through this page instead of a disambiguation page  Purpleback  pack  89  ≈≈≈≈  07:01, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Firstly, I'm quite confident that the article will be kept. There are a tonne of easy-to-find reliable sources out there, but instead you go straight to AfD? Anyway, I think we're getting distracted from the main point. I know that the page views are in favour of the American Dad! character (I mentioned that in my original comment), but that can easily be attributed to recentism. Looking at google news archive, another of the methods suggested at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, it shows the Home and Away character to be more common. So, I can't see any conclusive evidence that either of the articles is the primary topic, therefore the status quo should remain. Also, can you please point to which policy/guideline says "With a two-pronged disambiguation, you only need to prove that one is just a little more popular than the other"? Cheers, Jenks24 (talk) 07:32, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * First off, Jenkks, when I did a Google News search that included the character's title in quotes and the name of the series, either in quotes or not, I didn't get a single hit for either of them. This would cast your assertion that the Australian character gets more hits into doubt.  As for what I said about primary topic, I can't exactly remember where it is, but I have heard that asserted at several other RM discussion.  Remember that if this passes, it's still no harder for a person to get to the Australian character page; they just have to go through this page (where there'd be a hatnote) rather than a disambiguation page  Purpleback  pack  89  ≈≈≈≈  15:08, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Umm did you do a google news archive search for simply "Hayley Smith"? See this search of google.com (the American version of google, I believe), which shows hit 3 to be about the American Dad! character and hits 7 and 10 are for the Home and Away character, with the other seven hits being unrelated to either (also please note I have added &pws=0 to the search string, as recommended at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC). Anyway, that search leads to believe there is no clear primary topic and it's fine to keep the dab page. If you could find a policy/guideline for two-pronged dabs only needing to be a little bit more popular, rather than a clear primary topic, then I would be quite willing to support this move. Cheers, Jenks24 (talk) 15:22, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Now I see where you're coming at...this time I got 24-14 AUS  Purpleback pack  89  ≈≈≈≈  17:24, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment when I was talking about page quality I was mainly referring to lack of reference on the other page. This one does have enough references to show that it is notable unlike the other one. JDDJS (talk) 19:32, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Now the other Hayley has been nominated for deletion. JDDJS (talk) 19:35, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Both the Australian Hayley and the disambiguation page need to go...the first due to being non-notable and unreferenced; the second because of TWODABS  Purpleback pack  89  ≈≈≈≈  21:12, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
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Dead Brother?
In the episode white rice during the flashbacks the smiths were pushing two babies in a double stroller and francine wondered about getting them immunised, idk if its something to note or not Poohman0 (talk) 08:54, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

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