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In the overview section, the he-man and battlecat picture and the one below it cover up some words.

Y'know, the vandalism is quite thorough on this page. This *is* what semi-protection is for... -FrYGuY 10:03, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

In Conan the Barbarian, it says the He-Man toys were originally to be based on the movie, and not on the comics, as this article states. Maybe one of you fanboys could correct whichever one is wrong?

Update, UPDATE! Brad Pitt as He-Man
He-Man Brad Pitt 08/05/2007 4:30:00 PM

Brad Pitt is set to star as classic cartoon hero He-Man in a remake of the 80s live action movie, which starred Dolph Lungdren.

(BANG) - Brad Pitt is set to star in a remake of 'He-Man'.

The actor is wanted by Legendary Pictures - who made 'Superman Returns' - to play the Master of the Universe in a new movie version of the 80s cartoon series.

A source told Britain's The Sun newspaper: "They are very keen on Brad for the role. He will have to bulk up though - he is very fit but not to 'He-Man' proportions."

He-Man - the most powerful man in the universe - is a sword-wielding hero with superhuman powers. The original cartoon series was one of the first TV shows to inspire a range of action figures, made by Mattel.

He-Man and his heroic friends defended the world of Eternia and the secrets of Castle Greyskull from the evil powers of Skeletor.

The original 'He-Man' film hit the big screen in 1987, when Cannon films produced a live-action movie 'Masters of the Universe' starring Swedish actor Dolph Lundgren.

If Brad, 43, turns the role down, '300' actor Gerard Butler, 37, is reportedly ready to step in to play the part.

(C) BANG Media International

http://entertainment1.sympatico.msn.ca/HeMan+Brad+Pitt/Celebs/Bang/ContentPosting.aspx?isfa=1&newsitemid=BSBS73347&feedname=BANG&show=False&number=0&showbyline=True&subtitle=&detect=&abc=abc

-G


 * Why hasn't this been added to the article? It should be. --211.255.171.67 13:03, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Miscellaneous
I expanded this article by adapting text which is available online at Kuro5hin. Before anyone begins worrying about copyrights, please note that I wrote the article I quoted this from. --- IHCOYC 14:21, 30 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Small personal gripe: I've always thought that He-man was a spectacularly stupid name for a character. Sorry, fans. Lee M 04:11, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)


 * This is perhaps one reason why it's amusing: the name is so obvious and over the top.


 * Mebbe so, but it's one reason I never got into the show, apart from the fact that it was obviously set up to sell merchandise. Lee M 19:41, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)


 * But wasn't the programme for children under 10? maybe that's why you didn't get it...

Incidentally, viewing the 2002 series on the UK Toonami channel, I notice that all of the characters travel between the various locations with remarkable speed. Given that (according to the official publicity maps) the main locations are scattered around the planet, I can only conclude that Eternia is quite a small planet. In fact I estimate that it has a diameter of about 10 miles, which would also account for its very small civilian population which I estimate at about 300. No wonder everyone there is always fighting - they're claustrophobic!


 * FWIW, the fact that Teela is the Sorceress's daughter is canon from the 1980s series; it was revealed in an episode called Teela's Quest, which moreover suggested that it is Teela's destiny to inherit the somewhat unenviable position of being the sorceress of Grayskull. Teela journeys to a distant oracle and learns the truth, but a spell is cast upon her by the Sorceress to make her forget it.  Smerdis of Tlön 00:28, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info. I hadn't seen the original series, so I'd only seen the relationship mantioned in the 2002 episode "The Ties that Bind", where the Sorceress gives Teela a blood transfusion with unexpected results. Lee M 20:01, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

This page seems to be missing quite bit of info given in this interviewwith the creator of He-Man.anonymous 16:50, 24 May 2007

Sword
I am by no means a fan.... :)

But I seem to recall that He Man and Skeletor had 2 halves of the same sword. At least, if you had the He Man action figure, and the Skeletor action figure, you could click their swords together to form a thicker sword. I didn't know what the significance of that was. Anyone know?


 * I never noticed this myself. But in the early mini-comics and the DC comics a key plot element is "the Power Sword" which is formed of two halves. Several plots (IMHO so many they are repetitive) revolve around Skeletor seeking to unite the two halves and then use the sword to enter Castle Greyskull and aquire its powers. It should also be noted that in these early stories He-Man's main fighting weapon is the axe rather than the sword.


 * I'm not sure if this was deliberate or a case of someone noticing the toys could do this and writing something around it. The 2002 version of Skeletor comes with a sword that can be split into two blades with different coloured handles but I'm not sure if the corresponding cartoon made use of this. Timrollpickering 20:15, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The original idea in the 2002 series was that eventually Skeletor did get both halves of the sword (which was primarily a comics thing, not a TV thing) and He-Man was forced to make a new Power Sword with Man-at-Arms and the Sorceresses help. This was scrapped when they decided that the series would be a reboot of the original, not a continuation, but since the toys were done and had tested well with kids, they remained the same.


 * I think you have your shows confused. The show where the good guy had one half of a sword and the bad guy had another was Blackstar. Blackstar, a former astronaut from Earth, had the Starsword and his nemesis, some scary guy named Overlord, had the Powersword. Together, they would become the mighty Powerstar. 193.167.132.66 12:31, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * It's possible there's show confusion, but the Power Sword in two halves is most definitely present in the early mini-comics and the DC comics. Timrollpickering 13:25, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * I am aware of that, but the OP's message sounded like he meant Blackstar. There's nothing stopping two shows featuring similar swords. 85.76.152.179 16:14, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * The coloring book(!) I had contained a story in which Skeletor DID in fact obtain He-Man's half of the sword, and it allowed him to force his way into Castle Greyskull. If I recall correctly, in all the TV episodes, He-Man had to stop at the gate to Greyskull and ask the Sorceress to let him in; he could not open the gate from the outside himself. CM

Neutrality
Why may this article need to be reworded to conform to a neutral point of view? How can an article about a mere TV series not be neutral?


 * Thought the same thing myself, so I removed it.--Wasabe3543 00:06, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * Contains POV material such as "...and an overabundance of spinning weapons and hyper-exaggerated leaps" and "... the 2002 Evil-Lyn is a witty, powerful agential player in her own right with her own plans and her own allegiances. It seems a shame that the writers could not do for Teela what they did for Evil-Lyn." Am editing. Lora

Skeletor based on Darth Vader?
Skeletor is assumed to have been modeled upon Darth Vader.

Is there any reason to support this, other than that Vader was setting strides in the field of villainy in 1980? Skeletor has never struck me as Vader inspired, beyond the origin (which is a later addition). Timrollpickering 09:12, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Overview text
This was removed in edits. It is increasingly looking out of place and perhaps could go elsewhere. For the moment I've put it here in case anyone wants to recycle it:

Overview
He-Man's true identity is Prince Adam, the son of King Randor and Queen Marlena, who was granted the power to transform into his alter-ego by the Sorceress. Prince Adam's pet is a cowardly green tiger named Cringer. When Adam changes to He-Man, Cringer becomes a giant (and brave) armored green tiger named Battle-Cat, who serves as He-Man's steed.

Castle Grayskull, whiose facade resembles a gigantic skull, is the source of the Power of Grayskull. Inside the Castle lives the Sorceress. Part bird and part woman, she possesses the magical ability to change herself into a falcon named Zoar. The Sorceress is among the most powerful magic-wielders on Eternia, and she also has limited use of the power held within Castle Grayskull, but only for the purpose of its protection. She also communicates telepathically with He-Man, and was the person responsible for introducing Prince Adam to the power of changing into He-Man.

He-Man has other allies, many of whom are in the King's service.


 * "Teela" is Captain of the Royal Guard and often assists He-Man in his battles. She is the daughter of the Sorceress of Castle Grayskull, though she does not know this. She is characterized by a strong personality. One of her duties is to teach combat skills to Prince Adam, but she frequently berates him for his careless and worry-free attitude.
 * Her foster father "Duncan" is known simply by his title "Man-At-Arms". He designs and builds weapons and other technology for King Randor. Duncan knows the secret identity of Adam/He-Man and acts as mentor and teacher to the young prince.
 * "Orko" is an inept magician from the parallel dimensional world of Trolla. He moves around by levitating and is often the comic relief. Orko also knows Adam's secret identity and sometimes has a hard time not revealing the secret.
 * "Ram-Man" is a sturdy warrior with poor verbal skills who runs down most of his obstacles. In the 1983 original series, he was rather short and resembled a dwarf, whereas in the 2002 series he was a very large man with a disproportionately small head.
 * "Stratos" is a vaguely ape-like humanoid with wings for flying. His kind live in Avion.
 * "Buzz-Off" is an anthropomorphic bee. He is an andreenid in the 2002 series.
 * "Mekaneck" can stretch his neck to incredible lengths, which enables him to serve as a scout.
 * "Man-E-Faces" is an actor who can change his faces from a human face to a monster face to a robot face. He also adopts the abilities of the face he puts on.
 * "Sy-Klone" is an Eternian who ran rotate his arms or his torso to generate winds.
 * "Roboto" is a robotic warrior who in the 2002 series was created by Man-At-Arms as a chess-playing robot who upgraded himself to a fighter.
 * "Moss Man" is a plant man who can control plants, mostly moss.
 * "Zodak" is the Cosmic Enforcer and ally to He-Man.
 * "Fisto" is a man with a metal hand that packs a powerful punch. He is Teela's uncle in the 2002 series and got his metal hand when his large hand was badly shattered.
 * "Clamp Champ" is a black Eternian and Master of Capture since he has a clamp that can grab anyone.
 * "Snout Spout" is an elephant-headed man who can shoot water out of his trunk. He appeared in the She-Ra cartoon.
 * "Extendar" is a mechanical being who is the Master of Extention.
 * "Rio Blast" is an Eternian gunslinger with hidden weapons.
 * "Rokkon" is a rock being who can turn into a rock.
 * "Stonedarr" is Rokkon's brother with the same power.
 * "Rotar" is the Heroic Master of Hyper-Spin. He was a Palace Guard that was injured in battle and became what he is with the help of Man-At-Arms' inventive skills
 * "Gwildor" is a dwarf-like Thenorian and inventor of the Cosmic Key. He appeared in the 1987 Movie.

He-Man's chief adversary is "Skeletor", a blue-skinned muscleman with a skull for a head, wearing a cowl. He is skilled in dark magic as well as all forms of combat. Skeletor's weapon of choice is his Havok Staff, a ram's skull atop a large rod which serves to channel his magic and amplify his powers. Though his origin is mysterious, a tie-in comic inferred that Skeletor was Keldor, King Randor's younger brother and this was confirmed in the 2002 cartoon series. Skeletor is thought by some to have been modeled upon Darth Vader.

Skeletor's base of operations is Snake Mountain, a tall, conical-shaped cavern fortress made of polished black basalt, which has a giant stone snake coiled around it. Snake Mountain is located on the Dark Hemisphere of Eternia.

Skeletor's allies include:


 * "Beast-Man", who can control nonsentient lifeforms.
 * "Evil-Lyn", a powerful witch with the usual complement of malevolent powers.
 * "Mer-Man", a fish-man who controls sealife.
 * "Tri-Klops", a 3-eyed mechanic and inventor.
 * "Trap-Jaw", a cyborg and weapons expert with a metal jaw which can bite through anything.
 * "Faker", a duplicate of He-Man. (The toy version is done in blue, with the backstory that he is a robot duplicate that didn't work out. In one annual he was a deformed clone. However in his sole appearance in the cartoon he was a magical creation identical to He-Man apart from glowing eyes.)
 * "Jitsu", an Asian-esque wrestler with a giant arm.
 * "Whiplash", whose tail is a formidable weapon. His 2002 appearance was much larger but somewhat less intelligent than in the 1983 series. He is a Calagar in the 2002 series.
 * "Clawful", a giant anthropomorphic crab with claws similar to a fiddler crab.
 * "Kobra Khan", snake man who can emit a sleeping gas. In the 2002 series, he spits acid instead and is a servent of King Hiss.
 * "Webstor", a blue-skinned man with the abilities of a spider. In the 80's series, he was nothing but a goblin with a grappling hook for a weapon. In the 2002 series, he has the appearance of a spider-like being.
 * "Two-Bad", a character with two faces that constantly argue between themselves. In the 2002 series, he was 2 bounty hunter bonded together by Skeletor after they failed to work together.
 * "Spikor", a humanoid covered in spikes.
 * "Stinkor", an anthropomorphic skunk with magical control over his own stench (he only appeared in the written comics and 2002 animated version, never the original series).
 * "Screeech" is a barbaric bird that works for Skeletor.
 * "Icer" is Skeletor's northern agent who can freeze anyone and can dissolve into water to get under cracks. He hates heat.
 * "Twistoid" is Skeletor's evil speed-twisting robot created by Skeletor when he stole the blueprints for Rotar. He and Rotar are rivals.
 * "Ninjor" is an evil Eternian ninja and servent of Skeletor.
 * "Blade" is a master swordsman and bounty hunter with a patch over his eye. He was seen in the 1987 movie.
 * "Saurod" is a armored reptilian who shoots sparks out of his mouth. He appeared in the 1987 movie and was destroyed by Skeletor.
 * "Karg" commanded Skeletor's centurion and was seen in the 1987 movie. It is unknown how he got hook-hands.

Independent villains include:


 * "Modulok", a cunning scientist with multiple limbs. He only appeared in the 1983 series. (The toy version has a body that can be taken apart and remade into multiple forms, but for the cartoon he was simplified.)
 * "Count Marzo" is a very powerful sorcerer who, in hte 2002 series, was punished for his evil deeds by being transformed into a physically frail dwarf, although Skeletor and Evil-Lyn can revert him back to his true form whenever they require his assistance. In the 80's series, he an evil lord with a Frankenstein-like sidekick named Chimera.
 * "Evilseed" is an evil plant man who can control vicious plants. In the 80's series, He-Man and Skeletor teamed up to stop him and He-Man destroyed his plants with a large snowball as well as himself. In the 2002 series, he is Moss Man's enemy.
 * "The Giants Azdar, Belzar, and Chadzar" were in the 2002 series. Buzz-Off made enemies with Azdar.
 * "The Space Pirate" only appeared in one episode in the 80's series, they are Captain Sticky Fingers, Batty, Frogman, Hisser, Lavaman, and Leo.
 * "Shokoti" is an extremely powerful undead sorceress who resided in the Sands of Time. She only appeared once in the entire Masters of the Universe cartoon series, but is worthy of mentioning due to the fact that she nearly defeated He-Man. She had a rather demonic appearance, with a horned headdress, jet-black hair, pale bluish skin and black, lifeless eyes. The only episode of her appearance, "The House of Shokoti, part 2" is considered one of the darkest episodes in the series.

As with many parts of the Masters of the Universe story, He-Man's background and origins were somewhat revised in successive versions of the story and it is sometimes difficult to reconcile the various versions.

Timrollpickering 22:42, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Need to restructure article?
The article is starting to get confused due to the multiple versions of MOTU - toys, early mini-comics, original cartoons, New Adventures, 2002 incarnations and so forth. It's particularly confusing as to which version of a character is being talked about. Would it be better to have a general "Masters of the Universe" article and then several distinct articles on each incarnation? Timrollpickering June 30, 2005 15:45 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think seperating the article into multiple ones is a good idea, as - apart from the arguments you mentioned - it's also getting a little large (see Article size). --Fritz S. 09:06, September 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree also. This is quite a leap for the structure of the various articles however. For one thing, the actual He-Man article is a combination of a history of the series and the story of the main titular character himself. Ideally they would be split out. I also support the idea as it should encourage articles to be created for the NA series. Any thoughts to a creation of a MOTU WikiProject to help clarify the goals that would need to come from all this? Essexmutant 09:52, September 13, 2005

He-Man video-games
What about the He-Man related computer- and video-games? I know that there was at least one shoot-'em-up style flight-game released for several systems in the 80s, a generic platformer for the C-64, a game based on the movie (with Ludgren featured in the title-screen), one or perhaps two text-adventures plus the newer Game Boy Advance-game based on the 2002-series.


 * The generic platformer was also on the Sinclair Spectrum. Essexmutant


 * Could be but I played it on a C-64 emulator. The early He-Man games were often released on more than one system (at least on three if I remember right). Some of the fan-sites probably have more info.


 * Did a bit of investigation. There were 2 games on the Speccy: the first at http://zxplanet.emuunlim.com/inlay-cards/boxes-m/MastUniverse.jpg and the second was based on the movie: http://zxplanet.emuunlim.com/inlay-cards/boxes-m/MastUnivMov.jpg. Further info on the first game here: http://www.mobygames.com/game/masters-of-the-universe-the-arcade-game. Essexmutant

Character List
I've had a go at splitting the character list into subsections based on the series of release of the original toy series (where appropriate) and have added the Evil Horde and Snake Men characters. If anyone doesn't like it then feel free to revert, however I think it helps to make it more readable. That said, it does increase the length of the main article, so I would suggest the section is taken out and moved to a separate page. Any thoughts there? Just to restate, making this into a WikiProject, particularly in light of comments made in the "Need to restructure article?" section above, may help to organise changes. Cheers. Essexmutant
 * I have moved the content to a separate page to reduce the article length. Essexmutant
 * I'm not sure there really is a need for a WikiProject, since I think we can organise the needed changes here on the talk page and I doubt such a WikiProject would have many participants at this time. But it's great to see someone so motivated about improving this article! --Fritz S. 09:45, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I think the next step is to split He-Man (as a character) into a separate page as opposed to He-Man (as the series.)
 * You're right, the Overview section and the Powers and abilities section seem a little out of place in the current context. How about having an article about the character at He-Man and the one about the toys and series at Masters of the Universe or He-Man and the Masters of the Universe (the latter two are currently just redirects to He-Man)? --Fritz S. 11:12, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Would need to get the redirects deleted by an Administrator, according to http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Help:Redirect - not sure how to arrange that currently, but will investigate. Here is what I suggest:


 * Masters of the Universe (for the franchise)
 * He-Man and the Masters of the Universe (original TV series)
 * He-Man (character) - also referenced from other sections too
 * She-Ra: Princess of Power (She-Ra spinoff)
 * She-Ra (character)
 * Masters of the Universe (movie)
 * New Adventures of He-Man
 * He-Man and the Masters of the Universe (2002) (new TV series) Essexmutant

The redirects wouldn't have to be deleted, we can just change them to articles. The structure you suggested looks fine to me. But I think it should be Masters of the Universe (film), there was recently an agreement to use (film) instead of (movie) in article names. --Fritz S. 13:31, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Good idea, hadn't realised that. Happy to go with MOTU (film) too. I've created a main franchise page at Masters of the Universe - will be removing content from the main He-Man article next. Essexmutant 14:09, 14 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I think what might also be useful now is a related category, like Category:Masters of the Universe (or Category:He-Man, but I'd prefer the first one)... --Fritz S. 15:04, 14 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. Just to clarify, the category would cover the different versions of MOTU? New He-Man page is now live, by the way. Hope it's okay. I've added quite a bit of content related to the history of the figure, and some stuff in the overview section too. (The Skeletor stuff isn't really appropriate any more, will move it into the Skeletor article if it's not redundant in that one.) Essexmutant 15:13, 14 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, it could cover the different versions and pretty much anything else related to the series, just like Category:The Simpsons. (Well, characters would probably still go into Category:He-Man characters, but that category will be a subcatogory of Category:Masters of the Universe) --Fritz S. 15:29, 14 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me. Essexmutant 15:49, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

The new he-man cartoon
There is a more recent cartoon of he-man and nobody mentioned it.

If nobody updates the article I'll eventually do it myself. for those who have the time, this is a start : []


 * I agree that some info needs to be added to the article. I haven't seen enough episodes of it myself to do it personally though. Please note that the general content on the series should be held at Masters of the Universe. Only information specific to the He-Man character should be held on this page (see thread above.) Essexmutant 10:00, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Right. So we could add somehting about the change of his look over time with a second picture from the new series.Bragador 13:52, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Sure. Makes sense. No copyrighted pictures though, of course. Essexmutant 13:57, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Hahaha
Cartoon on vandalism.




 * Yeah, someone might want to put a pre-emptive lock on this page once this comic goes up on the frontpage tomorrow. --Casius 10:36, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Mmm, Penny Arcade-induced vandalism. Yummy. Nifboy 11:32, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Frickin ay. Melchoir 16:33, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Eh, PA fans are usually a (somewhat) respectful bunch. I doubt you'll see any significant negative edits, though He-Man *can* occasionally be a jack-ass... ka1iban 16:45, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


 * ...though on the other hand...lemme just get my size 11 boot out of my mouth here...ka1iban 16:50, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Hehe. Your optimism is inspiring. Melchoir 16:59, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I think Tycho proved himself wrong today. Though I'm not an active contributor to Wikipedia, I am an active user and today it has shown its resilience to vandalism.  Also, it seems Tycho is not too familiar with the guidelines for articles in Wikipedia, specifically regarding neutral POV.  Bravo Melchoir for repairing the article, even though I don't even care about He-Man. :)  Hopefully the additional traffic bound to be caused by PA's reference to Wikipedia might result in some donations... 129.59.8.10 17:33, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but I really ought to get back to work! Melchoir 17:47, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


 * On the contrary, I think the rather non-humorous edits and subsequent reversions prove Tycho's point exactly about his "quantum encyclopedia," which may or may not be fully appreciated by the vandals.--Muhoshin 18:56, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
 * It's not usually this bad. Melchoir 18:52, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes it is, especially on some of the more controversial pages on history, race, and culture.
 * There exist controversial articles, and there are mechanisms to contain the controversy. Those articles remain in the minority. Melchoir 19:06, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Plus, this is *He-Man*, for cripes' sake. It's not like it's an article on some horrible ethnic-cleansing that gets inflated by the supporters of the victims and flatly denied or erased by the countrymen of the aggressors.  In light of current studies and media showing how accurate it is (that Kennedy assassination thing aside), I think Wikipedia's doing just fineka1iban 19:15, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Let me put it this way: I think most people in the world would miss Wikipedia a lot more than Penny Arcade were one of the two to disappear from the Internet. I know I certainly would, and I regularly visit Penny Arcade. 129.59.8.10 20:26, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, because this is a deathmatch between the two institutions. Two websites enter! One leaves! Sunday Sunday Sunday! Melchoir 20:28, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Wait a minute, I think I read you backwards. Oh well, I stand by it. Melchoir 20:30, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Non-humorous? They seem pretty funny to me. Consider this a small internet fad that will eventually blow over, but is simply incredibly hilarious at the moment. The fact that certain people who take this thing a little bit too serious take the time to edit everything back, only for someone else to come up with a new way to diss He-man (has anyone come up with "SHE-MAN" yet?? Or is she (he?) a real character?) only contributes to the joke. Either just lock the article, or let people edit it for a while untill it stops being funny, and then just edit it back when no one cares about it anymore. - Speth

Also... Come on, it's bloody HE-MAN. Unless someone's doing a study on He-manology, I doubt this article's misinformation (although whether or not He-man indeed is a tremendous jackass is technically in the eye of the beholder) is going to cause a festering rupture in society's flawless stream of information. - Speth
 * There is no reason for us to be lazy in defending this article. In fact, defending it vigorously is a great way to educate all the vandals from Penny Arcade about Wikipedia's editorial mechanisms. And, no, the vandalism isn't funny. I love Penny Arcade, but I hate people who are so easily suggestible. Melchoir 05:47, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * My point was that being so very stiff about something that is intended entirely as a joke is probably what keeps it alive in the first place - Speth, who has no idea how to make a proper reply in this thing
 * I actually rather suspect that each vandal is unaware of all the previous vandals. I doubt that they're checking the history and reading the talk page! Melchoir 06:40, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Melchoir's right about Howard Johnson being right. Letting the page slide (though probably unimportant in the long run) is going to prove Tycho's point about the extreme malleability of Wikipedia material.  Being able to weather being "wanged" by PA is a great way to prove him wrong.  And I don't think locking the page was selling out either; if any other article, He-Man or not, was vandalized 50 times in one day (for whatever reason), it'd be locked without question until disputes were settled.

Protection needed?
Hello all. Since this is now going to be a magnet of sorts, you can drop me a line if it needs protecting. Oberiko 17:39, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the offer! Unless the situation gets out of hand, I think it might be better from a PR standpoint to just revert the vandals and hand out Test templates. Tycho has directed some ill will this way, and protecting the page might seem like admitting defeat. Not to be too melodramatic, but... still. Melchoir 17:45, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Situations like this are also opportunities to greatly improve the article, we're getting a lot of attention here both from new folk and from Wikipedia regulars. There've been a few improvements made already (as of this writing, this is the net change since the comic was posted: ).
 * Besides, Skeletor never succeeds in his nefarious schemes. We've got nothing to worry about. Bryan 00:35, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Now there're more.  ;) 68.51.80.209 02:50, 17 December 2005 (UTC)  (*cough*  That was me... Neocapitalist 02:50, 17 December 2005 (UTC))

Just a heads up — a new Penny Arcade comic isn't going to get posted until Monday, so keep an eye on this article. —Slicing (talk) 11:51, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah. This article will be constantly vandalised all weekend. It must be locked. Run! 11:57, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I have now locked the page. C'mon Penny Arcade readers, you can behave better than this. -- The Anome 13:11, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I really don't think it needs to be protected, but if you were going to protect it shouldn't you have used ? —Slicing (talk) 13:26, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * It looks to me like P-protected would be most appropriate. &mdash;David Wahler (talk)  14:25, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Second. I want to see how it works :-) Haakon 16:37, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I wonder if someone could make a reference to Penny-Arcade and the vandalism at the bottom. While it wouldn't stop the vandalism completely it might have a preventative effect.  I for one looked for this article specifically because I was curious about its vandalism.

New Changes
Since this page is now protected, might it be a good idea to have a place to put real changes? For example, the article says: "He-Man was usually accompanied by a assortment of adversaries in his battles, such as Ram Man, Stratos and Man-E-Faces." Why would he be accompanied by adversaries? And last I checked, Ram Man, Stratos, and Man-E-Faces were He-Man's allies, not adversaries.--Jaardon 17:27, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm... it would have to be somewhere newbies wouldn't think to look.
 * Lest we forget, I'd like to add that the first paragraph of the Overview section has understandably gotten lost in the confusion. Melchoir 18:07, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

There's a bit of a lapsus linguae, methinks: "Skeletor leads a motley crue of henchmen". Shouldn't that be "crew" instead of "crue"?
 * I don't know. Did the band ever guest star as Skeletor's henchmen? :-) RandyKaelber 03:37, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
 * No, you're confusing He-Man with He-män.

--10:24, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
 * That last line was comedy gold. Garth M 22:57, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Might as well stick any changes you want to make on this very talk page. Afterall, sticking them elsewhere won't be any good because elsewhere won't be a live version of the article, whether vandals find it or not. Run! 17:17, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

He-Man's Bro? Sun-Man
Does anyone have or know where I can get info about Sun-man? He was a toy made with a He-Man mold a pic can be found here http://sunman.3wpages.com/. Thank you for any help, this site does not give alot of Sun-Man's background story. This toy came out in 1985.

Darealabi 06:18, 12 May 2007 (UTC) Darealabi


 * Man, that's lame. --Bentonia School 13:13, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

He-Man or She-Man?
deleted for stupidity

ヂエンスパルキ メリークリスマス Signed, DNSparki Happy Holidays! 12-17-05

Publicity
I would like to point out that Penny-Arcade noticing this is also going to be a great source of publicity for Wikipedia. Check the hit count after Monday, odds are you'll reach one of the highest numbers in recent history. :D 12/18/05 5:50 EST
 * Penny-arcade is a fairly large site but chances are that most of their fanbase is already well-aware of Wikipedia seeing as how Wikipedia is one of the largest websites period. It's more likely PA had gotten a spike from people being linked from the He-Man page (though not very likely itself.) Here are the Alexa pages if anybody is interested.   --Casius 15:23, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

This is not good publicity. After reading Tycho's lament on the PA page and then reading this talk page I really have no good idea of what is going on. In other words I get the impression that both Tycho's comments in his Penny Arcade running commentary and this part of Wikipedia are obscure or hermetic or both. And I've been contributing to Wikipedia for more than two years. What kind of message is this giving to those who are not regulars at Wikipedia? --AlainV 03:28, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Do you have a suggestion? Melchoir 03:37, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
 * All publicity is good publicity. Regardless of what Tycho says and whether his fans unqeustionably believe him or not, some of them are going to come along and say "Wow, an encyclopaedia" and look stuff up. After which they will realise that it's a pretty damn good encyclopaedia. Run! 11:01, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
 * It's not good publicity, but there's not much anybody can do about it. While contributing to Wikipedia, I (like Tycho) noticed that it's a pretty good cross-section of the human population, with about 1 in 50 people having decent writing abilities and bother to research a topic before writing about it. His point that it's not an "expert source" remains valid from a logical standpoint, but is a largely pessimistic view of Wikipedia (or most things, for that matter). The only way I see to completely negate this argument would be to lock pages once they are expert-verified, but then it wouldn't be a wiki, and what would be the point? As an admirer of Tycho's frequent pontification, I was a bit disappointed that he wasn't even willing to accept Wikipedia as reference-level material. Mhoskins 18:23, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Hey, do you think it's any worse than the recent prevalence of news articles about the accuracy of Wikipedia entries in general?--MythicFox 06:01, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

A suggestion? For starters, it would be convenient to know (but not placed under this "publicity " heading) under what IP or name Tycho was making edits, so that way it would be possible to take a look at the page edits and finally get at least a general idea of the nature of the controversy.--AlainV 21:58, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
 * What makes you think Tycho's making edits here? --24.60.139.201 04:36, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Made, not making. His December 16 strip (I have the Power) is what made me think that the He-man article was the place where the controversy started. This article is featured in that particular strip. Where else could it have been?--AlainV 07:25, 20 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Right [here]. Tycho was apparently nonplussed about his article being deleted. He was also apparently especially annoyed at its reference as 'fancruft', as that's what he referenced in the news blurb. -FrYGuY 10:24, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Now I understand what this is all about. --AlainV 07:02, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Protection removal
When is this article going to be unprotected? Can&#39;t sleep, clown will eat me 04:11, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

It's been unprotected. I've tried a new tactic to stop the vandalism; if anyone thinks it's inappropriate feel free to revert me, but I want to see if this will help. Melchoir 21:58, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Hrmm...was your tactic displaying the offending PA cartoon in the article? Because that seems a little more Fahrenheit 451 than fire department...ka1iban 16:22, 20 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Is it worth getting the article protected again? Essexmutant 16:49, 20 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Has been vandalized 8 times today already - semi-protected. Thue | talk 11:14, 24 December 2005 (UTC)


 * ka1iban, no, I was referring to this edit in which I inserted commented-out copies of the PA version in places where they would most likely be seen. Sorry; I should have been more clear. Melchoir 23:39, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
 * HAhaha, I just saw the comic, and I came here to check out the vandal history, it was worse than I thought. I like the commented-out idea, looks like those have been reverted, though. Put one in each section that gets vandalized the most. Also, you can put the suggestprotect at the top to show people that we will notice if it changes (people think they're the first one to do it, y'see) —Fitch 22:51, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

An alternative solution to vandalism
Maybe putting this image in the article would cutdown on vandalism. I found this in the PennyArcade/Criticism of Wikipedia articles, so presumably its copyright status is ok.Savidan 19:44, 28 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I think you're being overly optimistic. :-( --SarekOfVulcan 20:13, 28 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Someone put that image up last week, but it didn't do much (I personally think it *encourages* misbehaviour). Someone else took it down soon after, correctly citing that the article was about He-Man, not Wikipedia criticism, PA or Skeletor. ka1iban 15:10, 29 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I suppose you both are right. I guess what I was thinking was that most of the vandals think that they are being original by copying penny arcade. Perhaps a note at the begining of the artile to the effect of Savidan 20:17, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Homoerotic Live Action Series
"*The live action TV series (shot in the late 1980s), The Adventures of Young Heman, starred Paul Elders. The series never made it past the pilot episode, being labelled 'too homoerotic'."

I have never heard anything about this from any reputable source of information about He-Man. I was quite sure that this was a piece of vandalism but it seems users are now adding this bit of 'trivia' back claiming it is a serious fact. I am therefore asking for someone to please provide a link to a source that proves this 'fact'. If no such source has been brought up within the next week I will remove the above piece of information from the article. Mosquitor 23.05, 21 June 2006 (GMT)


 * Now that the aforementioned statement has been removed by Wikibofh it will be regarded as vandalism if added back and therefore removed unless a valid source can be cited to give the statement credibility. Mosquitor 20.28, 27 June 2006 (GMT)


 * This isn't vandalism! It's totally true, I swear. I found the article in a newspaper a few years ago, it was just a bunch of odd-little-known-facts about HeMan... I have a cutting of it somewhere...

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.71.113.94 (talk • contribs) 12:25, July 9, 2006 (UTC)


 * Without a citation it's heresay. If you can find a verifiable source, we can discuss it.  Wikibofh(talk) 15:08, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

The top 100 cartoons ever on ITV by Ardal O'Hanlon (the guy from the My Hero sitcom and Father Ted) or whatever his name is, was pretty clear about it. Is that a source? Zythe 20:17, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Penny Arcade Trivia Reference
The actual image has been uploaded to Wikipedia, and is linked to on the Criticism of Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_wikipedia#Suitability_as_an_encyclopedia). Should the actual comic be linked somehow with the trivia section?

The image itself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Penny_Arcade_comic-20051216h.jpg Hanzolot 05:18, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Trivia section
A lot of the trivia entries relate to He-Man and the Masters of the Universe the cartoon, not to He-Man himself, and would be better off being moved to the appropriate article(s). What does everyone else think? Jay Firestorm 15:32, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree, and I've already cut the following; feel free to transfer these to the appropriate articles if they are noteworthy enough.


 * In Futurama, the captain of the ship is a cyclopian mutant abandoned at birth to save her from a life of suffering in the sewers beneath the city. Her name is Leela, and she may be a reference to Teela, who was also abandoned at birth. (Teela)  (Personally, I think this borders on speculation and original research.  The origins of Teela and Leela are barely similar at best, and their rhyming names are likely a coincidence.  Without support from an outside source, such as confirmation from the creators of Futurama, this observation is more opinion than anything else.)


 * Most episodes of the 80's television cartoon series were overseen by a child psychologist in order to ensure that events transpiring were not too frightening for children, and also that each episode would have a child-friendly and easily understood moral. During Season One, the psychologist was Donald F. Roberts, Ph. D - who would go on later in life to be instrumental in creating the rating system for modern video games. (He-Man and the Masters of the Universe)


 * Many of the sound effects employed in the He-Man cartoons were recycled from previous Filmation projects. The most noticed are various sounds from Star Trek, having been given to Filmation during their production of Star Trek: The Animated Series. (I know from memory that this information already exists in the He-Man and the Masters of the Universe article; I place it here just to note what I've cut.)

-- Pennyforth 01:47, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Gnarkill, a band composed of CKY members perform a song entitled Skeletor Vs. Beastman in which Brandon DiCamillo impersonates the voices of Skeletor and Beastman, portraying them to be perverse homo-erotic lovers. (Skeletor, Beast Man)

Powers and Abilities?
This article is in serious need of a "Powers and Abilities" section. I would start it, but sadly, I don't know what He-Man's powers and abilities are. (Is he just really freak-strong??) Can someone please help? --Schmendrick 15:31, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I did make one a really long time ago, but it was removed for some reason. If no-one objects, I shall try making a new one. -TheHande 17:19, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Infobox Image
I'm just putting it out here as a suggestion, but should the image reflect the different incarnations of the character from the three different animated series and the also the film? The could be a monatage image like Image:Xindi-Species.JPG or like Image:Russell and Anderson as Jack O-Neill.jpg on the Jack O'Neill page.--NeilEvans 00:20, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Transformation back to Adam?
How does He-Man transform back into Prince Adam? --Yyk2 18:40, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * MMmm I can't recall it ever being shown. I assume he uses the sword in some way.--NeilEvans 18:54, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Really? I thought maybe it just wears off when the excitement dies down.  Does anyone remember any clues to this? --67.165.154.19 23:08, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * My daughter just told me: he holds up the sword and proclaims "Let the power return" in season two's The Problem With Power. Not sure if it would also wear off eventually though. --Yyk2 22:33, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Is He-Man gay
I think this question should at least be mentioned, perhaps with a link to http://www.fugly.com/videos/3302/heman_gay.html

Jhobson1 17:51, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Orko & He-Man Switch Bodies
My wife told me that there was an episoed of this show where Orko and He-Man switch bodies, (ala Freaky Friday)... is this true? Should we put this in as fact?

steroid use
is it true he used steroids when during the 1st season? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.173.38.238 (talk) 02:28, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Questionable reference
I can't find any support for the assertion that Marlena "now sells astro turf to make a living [3]." and the reference is less than convincing: "In issue #48 of the DC Comics Presents series this is alluded to "  I'm not a He-Man expert, but this smells like vandalism. 76.19.35.30 (talk) 22:31, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

As stated on Rror's talk page "Dude, my edits are the truth. I provided a reference. In issue #47 of DC Presents, Superman is sucked into Eternia the He-Man universe) and goes galevanting about with He-Man. In issue #48, a brief biography of He-Man or Prince Adam is given and when asked of his mother's whereabouts he says "I don't know, probably on Mars selling astro turf""

Septimus1337 (talk) 06:02, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Can you take a pix of that reference and send that. The guy above us smells a rat here. 65.163.117.135 (talk) 04:26, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

WHAT THE HELL

He-Man wasn't even in DC Comics Presents #48, it was a one off appearance in #47. I'd very much like to see anything that He-Man says in #48 considering it is about Aquaman, I'll do us all a favour and delete the content and reference.

SidneyGottlieb (talk) 05:09, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism
This page seems to be subject to a lot of vandalism. (This is the most recent example.) The vandalism is coming from mostly IPs, so does anyone else think this article should be semi-protected? Tez kag 72 04:36, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

He-Man and Prince Adam should have one article (Merger Proposal)

 * The following discussion is archived. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Per the consensus below, the merge has been completed Hiding T 13:21, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

They are the same person but they are two separate characters with different abilities and different personalities (although this is intentionally faked). Adam views He-Man as separate from himself, as he always hopes to be able to prove himself without the assistance of He-Man. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.147.59.147 (talk) 21:02, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

That's like saying Batman and Bruce Wayne are the two different people because the Bruce Wayne acts differently in public to when he is in costume. It's still the same person or better example would be Captain Marvel and Billy Baston Dwanyewest (talk) 14:00, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

He-Man and Prince Adam should be covered in one article, the same goes for She-Ra and her alter ego, Princess Adora.24.190.34.219 (talk) 22:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree He-Man and Prince Adam are the same character they are not two separate characters?

Dwanyewest (talk) 11:31, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Merge - A single character with two persona that's all. There doesn't appear to be any evidence that each individual personality is so notable in its own right that it requires a separate article. This goes for both He-Man/Prince Adam and She-Ra/Princess Adora.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  03:39, 22 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Merge there is no need for separate articles. Ditto the She-ra/Princess Adora situation. (Emperor (talk) 12:04, 22 September 2009 (UTC))


 * merge makes sense, as the way the characters were utilized in any medium was never exclusive or distinct from their alter-egos. There also is a lack of commentary thematic or otherwise regarding these alter-egoes. I'd support such a merge. -Sharp962 (talk) 20:12, 22 September 2009 (UTC).


 * Merge. I see nothing in the Prince Adam article which merits the split. Also, by convention, most characters with dual lives or dual personalities only have a single article on Wikipedia. --GentlemanGhost (talk) 14:10, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Early Mattel Origin
Why has the earlier origin in the Mattel mini-comics been deleted? It makes this article's reference to He-Man's origin being "revised" by Filmation awkward at best as this is the only origin presented on the page and there is nothing cited earlier that it could be revised from. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.98.157.232 (talk) 18:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Musclor
Should it not be added somewhere that He-Man is known as Musclor in France and other French speaking countries? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.193.42.92 (talk) 16:31, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

No
I was going to copy edit this article, but I don't wanna. Buddpaul (talk) 13:25, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

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he-man turns to adam
think it should added somewhere that He-man returns to adam by holding his sword and saying "let the power return"

refence this is seen in the 110th episode "The Problem With Power" in 1980s series of He-Man and the Masters of the Universe http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1220613/

and in "The Council of Evil: Part 2" episode 26 of the He-Man and the Masters of the Universe serie from 2002 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.145.166.178 (talk) 07:47, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

He-Man concepts are not by Roger Sweet alone
This article seems written as publicity for Roger Sweet. He was not alone in the concept of He-Man and the other MOTU. Sweet did not come up with the "trio" without having chosen between many concept drawings he asked his designers to produce, amongst which Mark Taylor who drew the first prototypes, and the skecthes became reality when the 80's black haired horned helmet wearing barbarian concept was made into a toy in 2011 under the name "Vikor". Just read the origins paragraphin the Masters of the Universe wikipedia article as well as the refs I added there coming from he-man.org and try to rearrange this faulty  oriented present He-Man article which makes Roger Sweet the only man behind the concepts -we all know it's untrue-, he was only at the head of a team of designers and concept artists, hence his title , in one word he was lead designer. Concept artist Mark Taylor drew the first prototypes for Roger Sweet and that cannot be changed. This makes a notable difference and should be mentioned. 82.240.163.245 (talk) 16:06, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

NPOV & style issues
There's a lot of opinion, non-NPOV statements, and generally non-encyclopedic writing here. The worst case I spotted was "In addition, Sweet certainly was not influenced by the Conan name. This name is weak as a male action figure or heroic figure name because it describes nothing strong. In fact, it describes nothing. And in actuality, it is the name of a Scottish author, Arthur Conan Doyle, who was the creator of the relatively comparatively physically wimpy and frumpy Sherlock Holmes character..Iapetus (talk) 21:34, 5 May 2013 (UTC) And I've also just noticed that that whole "Origins" section is duplicated (POV waffle and all) on the Masters of the Universe page as well.Iapetus (talk) 21:36, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Psychologist and morals
Nowhere in the article did it mention the moral at the end of each story! I gave it a brief mention, but more would be beneficial. Also, the credits include a psychologist. who presumably advised on things. Is there any data on what the PhD. contributed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.223.199.127 (talk) 19:25, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Verification
Come on guys we need to find some verification for this article, wouldn't you agree? I'm not sure where we can find verification but lets all look.

RE: he-man turns to adam
Maybe you are right I'll go ahead and add it in...

He-man Image
Hello, Shouldn't this page feature a picture of He-man rather than Prince Adam? This character was originally conceived without an alter ego. The first minicomics with the toys did not have Prince Adam. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Illyaking (talk • contribs) 05:42, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

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Power of Grayskull documentary
The 2017 documentary is available on Netflix. Lots of interviews about the history of the brand. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:42, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Current He Man picture is bad
I'm proposing to exchange the current He-Man picture with a more appropriate picture. I recommend this one: http://www.honcho-sfx.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/He-Man-cartoon-returns-300x300.jpg

The current picture is wrong because it is not representative of He Man's character and changes him into this roid-raging loser from the fitness circuit, and makes him psycopathically obsessed with violence as his expression and general posture reveal. I'm against these sort of people taking away He-Man's good nature. The current picture also is clearly present to promote the commercial interests of an illustrator, deceptively using wikipedia as advertising platform. Kim Hway (talk) 11:48, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

You are completely right
Yes, I concur, I have just spent several weeks watching 120+ of the original series (1983-1984) and I can only say that He-Man is gentle, understanding, compassionate, amiable and tender-hearted.

He has never used his sword, fists, feet or anything else to hit anyone. I mean it literally, it just never occurred. Despite wielding a sword he is practically a judo and aikido master, rather than a brute with a weapon, in that he directs his opponent's force against them.

I mean, ponder this - He-Man is the strongest person in the universe and he never uses raw power except against rocks or, in the very worst cases, robots or vile vines.

The picture goes against everything that He-Man represents - what we have instead is some kind of a vicious, primitive, brutal and cruel character that is everything but He-Man.

This is simply absurd, the person who depicted He-Man as such an aggressive simpleton simply has no idea who He-Man really was supposed to represent.

Repetition in Powers and Abilities section
In the second paragraph of this section, the potentiality of He-Man turning back into Adam in extreme conditions is mentioned two separate times; once vaguely, the second time in more explicit detail.

I propose someone with knowledge of the 2002 He-Man series should go in and edit this section for clarity (I'm afraid I don't know enough about that series to edit it myself), or this article be tagged with the appropriate tag box indicating the need for editing. TacoFlavrdKisses (talk) 00:09, 7 September 2020 (UTC)