Talk:Head over Heels (video game)

Remove clean-up message
I think that this is a very good article, and the message is unecessary. I think that it could be better to place citation needed tags where needed instead of tagging the entire article as and ad retrieved from a magazine. Loudenvier 15:47, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The article is positively gushing with praise, and citations do not fix this. I'm re-tagging it until I have time to clean it up. An example:
 * * Graphically, Head Over Heels has probably pushed the limits of the ZX Spectrum's display capabilities further than any other game.
 * This is just OTT commentary, and should either be rewritten or removed entirely. Chris Cunningham 16:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


 * with ref to the citation needed for the quote "made the whole game up and then added the bullshit in the last ten minutes", I can confirm that I did quote this (or something very close) to edge and in multiple interviews since. If anybody wants to check that I am Jon Ritman feel free to email me on jon@ritman.co.uk. The reality is I didn't use a timer so 10 mins may not be precise but the game was in its final form and then I sat down and wrote the cover story and it didn't take long
 * Sup Jon. I know I grabbed it from "Edge Retro: The Making Of... Special", which I think was a compilation of 30-odd interviews from various Edge Retro editions. 2A02:C7D:3159:A00:E945:ABA2:5C58:8426 (talk) 00:25, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Release dates
I'm pretty sure the 16-bit versions of this game were published in 1991. I notice several dates are mentioned in the infobox. We should probably try and link dates to the specfic versions released. -- Zagrebo 13:37, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Screenshot
Am I the only person who thinks that the infobox should contain a screenshot of the game itself intead of the cover art? Sure, the cover art is nice (and important), but the game itself is what we're describing here, and it struck me as silly that the only images were at the end.

I've put an Amstrad CPC screenshot in, but it looks a bit cluttered. I still feel we should have a picture of the game itself visible on the first screen (i.e. without scrolling on a 1024x768 monitor). Fourohfour 19:03, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry but I think that replacing cover scans with screenshots for a game's infobox is rather like replacing film posters with a film still for infoboxes in movie entries. I think cover art is justifiable to illustrate the game in question


 * They *don't* illustrate the game in question! That was my point. Fourohfour 13:18, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * whilst screenshots are more for illustrating gameplay or differences between different versions. --Zagrebo 20:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd prefer the game cover too. But a well placed screenshot right in the begginning would be great Loudenvier 21:30, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Zagrebo; I'm sorry, but I find your assertions somewhat strange- that cover art "illustrates the game in question" (it doesn't) whilst screenshots of the game itself (which is what the article is actually about) only illustrate the gameplay? Fourohfour 13:18, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * In answer:


 * Using cover-art to illustrate an entry about a game is as valid as using a film-poster to illustrate an entry for a movie (as is usually the case on Wikipedia).
 * These games were sold in boxes that included the cover art and the article is about the game as a whole, not just its screen-display. The cover art was an aspect of the commerically-available package and often the first "reference" many people would have for the game - ie it was used in advertising and displayed prominently in shops. It's an integral part of the game's identity.
 * I've had people tag articles I watch complaining that there isn't a cover-art image in the infobox so clearly the Wikipedia people agree with me.

--Zagrebo 17:57, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, the cover art is an important part of the game's identity, I agree. I just don't agree that it's more important than an image of the game itself (the second-best thing to letting someone play the actual game in most cases. Admittedly sometimes a distant second, but the closest we can get all the same).


 * "Illustrate" has several meanings, and there is the risk we are using different ones here. I have taken it to mean "exemplify ... clarify by giving an example of". Of course the cover art adds illustrations (i.e. "illustrates") the package; that goes without saying.


 * Movie posters don't illustrate (i.e. exemplify) films anyway; they illustrate the publicity. People might like looking at them, but it doesn't change that fact.


 * I don't know how many people contacted you and how representative they are; you may be right that in general people value nice-looking paintings over images of the actual item being discussed, but it's hard to say. Fourohfour 18:10, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * There's plenty of room in the body of the text to include images from the game, though. Putting such images in the body of the text also allows room for captions explaining aspects of gameplay. The infobox is information about the game and, in common with wikipedia entries on any other type of entertainment media, I think an image of the box cover should be included (as indeed it is for almost -all video game entries, including those of "Feature Article" quality). The only time I think it's valid to use a screenshot is if no cover art is available (eg an arcade game) or as a stand-in until box art is available. --Zagrebo 18:19, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Image gallery
I have requested a review of the fair-use status of this gallery. Please see WP:FUR. Cheers --Pak21 20:35, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I believe it is in order. It may be necessary to remove the screenshot, how ever the gallery should be in fair use. Bentleybongo (talk) 17:52, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Oh I apologize I am in the wrong thread Bentleybongo (talk) 17:54, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Head over heels amstrad 1.png
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"Recently" needs to be amended or replaced
As it stands at present, the phrase "It was recently voted the second best remake ever" is meaningless; "recently" as compared to when?

This should be reworded as something like "It was recently (2008-02-29) voted..." or "It was voted on 2008-02-25 to be...". -- 217.171.129.71 (talk) 01:19, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Reincarnation Fish
I don't have time for this right now, but this article  definitely needs information about the Reincarnation Fish. I've finished this game a couple of times and can tell you that they are of major importance in this game. --82.171.70.54 (talk) 22:58, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

TWO cross-platform remakes (apparently) - Yura87 (talk) 13:55, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Retrospec (at ver 1.0): Easier controls for Head, better sprites, lighting support, 2 music files. HeadOverHeels2.com (1.01): More moddable, more faithful, was abandoned before lighting support was added (potentially due to author being told of the Retrospec edition having lighting already).

See new thread. I have added info. Bentleybongo (talk) 18:18, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

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2003 Remake
I am currently working on adding information about the popular remake. I believe it may be necessary to break it out into its own page if the section continues to grow. I have uploaded the new logo to the commons, and attached it in a previous edit. I clearly did something wrong, as it was deleted. (I thought I followed the correct procedure, credited author, selected videogame cover option). For the moment a section will do. I am writing this both to document my changes and request assistance with proper media upload procedures. Thank you! Bentleybongo (talk) 18:17, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

remake by Jorge Rodríguez Santos (2009)
There’s open source remake too http://www.headoverheels2.com/drupal/en/gallery/20 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.123.156.139 (talk) 14:05, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

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