Talk:Healer (role variant)

Distinguished healers

 * How is it even close to possible to put Homer in this list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.122.151.245 (talk) 19:15, 13 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Also, "Famous INFPs include Isabel Myers (creator of the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator), St. John the disciple, Carl Rogers, Princess Diana, George Orwell, Audrey Hepburn, Fred Rogers, A.A. Milne, Helen Keller, Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, Julia Roberts, and William Shakespeare." from http://www.personalitydesk.com/infp-type-description.php Twipley (talk) 19:41, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Also, Shakespeare, Orwell and Huxley definitely were INFPs: http://www.mypersonality.info/personality-types/infp/


 * For the Keirsey role variants, it's best to stick with Keirsey sources (Keirsey.com, Advisorteam, Personality Zone). That way, at least the articles for the different types won't contradict each other. ThreeOfCups (talk) 00:36, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * ThreeOfCups, maybe you're right. though I'd be tempted to merge INFP and Healer together (at least I'd suggest it to future editors). Alright, real sleep now. :) Twipley (talk) 04:57, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Gandhi was an INFJ, according to Keirsey. Some sites list Jung as INTP, others as INFP. Perhaps the Keirsey folks don't find the evidence compelling enough to reach a definitive conclusion.

Keirsey's Healer and Myers' INFP aren't exactly the same, and that's why there are different articles. Keirsey essentially rejected the concept of cognitive functions (not finding them particularly useful) and instead focused on observable behavior. Conversely, the MBTI rejects as unethical the practice of speculating about someone's type based on behavior, because people may adapt their behavior according to circumstances.

Personally, I don't see much value in bombarding Wikipedia readers with long lists of famous people who may or may not have fallen into a particular personality type. Including three or four good examples (such as Donald Trump and Madonna for Promoters, or Bill Gates and Margaret Thatcher for Fieldmarshals) is more illustrative. If readers want to know more, they can look it up elsewhere, such as at the cited websites. Moreover, the information is largely speculative rather than factual, and not particularly suited to an encyclopedia. ThreeOfCups (talk) 23:21, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


 * "the MBTI rejects as unethical the practice of speculating about someone's type based on behavior, because people may adapt their behavior according to circumstances." I think that's precisely what Jung meant when he talked about the persona. Twipley (talk) 14:44, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * If that's not too personal to ask, what's your own preference, ThreeOfCups: KTS or MBTI? Twipley (talk) 22:25, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I think they're both useful in their own way—it depends on what you're trying to accomplish. Keirsey's analysis is far more thorough (in a practical sense, at least), and provides a good framework for comparing and contrasting the types.  But I find the MBTI cognitive functions extremely useful in terms of understanding motivation.  I also think there's value in grouping types according to qualities other than temperament to understand where the common ground is and where the potential conflicts are.  In that sense, I find the KTS a bit limiting.


 * For example, I'm an INFJ, and the type I seem to have the most difficulty with is ISFJ. Why?  Because we're both introverts who relate to the world through extraverted feeling, which means we resemble each other outwardly, yet inwardly, our motivations are diametrically opposed.  ISFJs want to preserve tradition, while INFJs want to change the world for the better.  The KTS explains the potential for conflict, yet it doesn't seem (to my knowledge) to recognize the potential trap of perceiving another person as a kindred spirit when in fact that person is anything but.


 * The Healer article and the INFP article have the potential to be richly varied in terms of content, even though the descriptions of the types will inevitably be similar. The key is recognizing and distinguishing what comes from Keirsey and what comes from Myers-Briggs. ThreeOfCups (talk) 04:25, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Lady Diana?
Wasn't she an S-type? She never seemed at all like an abstract thinker.

ISFP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.104.42.181 (talk) 19:53, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No, she identified herself as a Healer INFP . ThreeOfCups (talk) 00:36, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Merge
This article and INFP have large amounts of overlap, since they represent the same type, including the list of persons. It seems to be logical to merge these. I suggest merging this article into INFP and turning this one into a redirect. Any other similar pairs of personality type articles should also be merged. Dcoetzee 05:18, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Disagree. The Healer is a role of the Keirsey Temperament Sorter, whereas INFP is a classification of the Meyers-Briggs Type Indicator. The Keirsey system is based on the Meyers-Briggs, but they are still different, and the tests are done differently. Pocket PC 2000 (talk) 01:57, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed. It would be best to have all the related information in one article anyway. Rashaalam (talk) 22:25, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Disagree. I do not think the articles should be merged since INFP and The Healer come from different personality tests. 8 May 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.18.193.174 (talk) 17:53, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Neutral. It would definitely make logical sense to have two extremely similar typologies in the same article; however, there seems to be some disagreement about whether or not Myers-Briggs and Keirsey are equivocal. Furthermore, there are concepts including socionics that both utilize Myers-Briggs equivocally, but maintain that despite their common origin they are not identical, although it is not clear to me at this moment exactly why the two are so universally kept separate. I have also found that in many cases one typology is not mentioned without the other. Austinenator (talk) 21:50, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Disagree. Although the INFP and Healer articles have similar content, the mentioned personality typologies are made by different psychologists. If the articles contain  exactly identical  content, it is absolutely recommended to merge them. But they have different details, and there are significant practical and theoretical differences between the two. The Myers-Briggs Type Indicator is for thought-based personality, the Keirsey Temperament Sorter is for  action-based personality.  The personality tests match on the general concepts, but they do not match in their mechanics.  TheCaretakerTemp  talk  11:37, 22 November 2015 (UTC)