Talk:Healing factor/Archive 2

Clean up
I've initiated the beginning of a much needed and long overdue clean up of the article, first by adding some citations to back up some of the Marvel characters listed. I've removed most of them because I don't have access to comics in which they've demonstrated or have been stated as having accelerated healing factors. I personally don't read any non-Marvel titles so any help with non-Marvel characters is needed and appreciated. Same thing goes with a lot of the characters in the outside of comics section, primarily with the anime and manga series. The addition of other characters to the article should have at least once credible source to back it up, otherwise it will be deleted. Randomly adding characters, from any form of media, to the article is the primary problem with the article to begin with.Odin&#39;s Beard 23:58, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Piper Halliwell to be added to 'outside of comic books list'
In season 5 of the TV show 'Charmed', the character Piper Halliwell had the ability to self-heal while she was pregnant. Is this enough for her to be added to the list. Bubble bunny (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 12:46, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * When it comes to the characters from tv shows, it works best to add the name of the episodes in which it happens, the original airdate of the episode, and the seasons in which the episodes take place. If the original airdate can't be found however, it's no big loss. The title of the episode and the season are really what's important. I don't know much about the show, aside from the basics of course. However, if it's something that she was only able to do while she was pregnant, she shouldn't be added. The article should contain characters that have consistently demonstrated the ability to heal superhumanly fast rather than just being able to do it under specific circumstances. However, if she retained accelerated healing after giving birth or had them before getting pregnant, then she should be added.Odin&#39;s Beard (talk) 23:38, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh okay, well she only had it during her pregnancy. So that's fair enough. Bubble bunny (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 08:09, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

DC and others
There is a Marvel comics section, and a "Outside of Comics" section, but nothing to fill the gap of non-Marvel comics. IMO there should be at the very minimum a DC section, and at most a full merger of the Marvel section into a generic Comics section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.169.181.34 (talk) 11:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Listbloat strikes again!
I'd recommend we trim the examples down to just three or four per section, in sentences and not in list form, then protect the page. "Examples of characters from XYZ Comics with HF's include Blah, Blah and Blah." If we don't start a list, it's less tempting to those who would expand it. --Noclevername (talk) 02:00, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, there really hasn't been much of a problem with editors just adding just anybody to the list, at least not over the past couple of months. Accelerated healing is a fairly common superhuman power in fiction, so I can understand the point about not listing characters in list form. But, if we only list characters from each example of fictional media that are known particularly for their healing powers, and then protect the page, I don't really see a problem. This article doesn't get a lot of traffic, nor is it a frequent target for vandalism. As to the comment about other comic book characters, such as characters from DC, not being listed...well I personally don't keep up with comics outside of Marvel. I agree that characters from other companies should have a place, but I just haven't added them because I dunno who in DC or Dark Horse or Image or in all the other companies have healing factors. Feel free to add some well known characters from other companies as long as there's a reliable source to back it up. Adding characters to the page without a source was the primary reason the article was such a mess before. Still needs work of course, but it's much better now than it was a few months back.Odin&#39;s Beard (talk) 15:12, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Origin of the term
Does the actual use of the phrase "healing factor" to describe this power start with Wolverine? I seem to recall that the DC character Manhunter (the 70s version) used it first, but I could be wrong. --Noclevername (talk) 19:42, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The origin of the term itself is something that's been mentioned briefly ont his page in the past but there's been nothing definitive. In order to find the answer to that question, one would really need to have access to all forms of sci-fi/fantasy style media. Every comic, every book, every episode of every tv show and movie, etc. The term itself has become synonomous with Wolverine, but that's due to the character's lasting longevity and popularily and not necessarily because he maybe have been the first.Odin&#39;s Beard (talk) 22:26, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Captain Jack
It says on Wiki's OWN article page that the guy's immortal, what more do you want? A list of all the episodes where he regenerates? With time stamps? I added the shows in which he appears, and if you absolutely needed an episode title where he is shown to heal from an otherwise fatal wound, have Everything_Changes_(Torchwood) (Ep 1 Season 1) of Torchwood. That better? Can I add it back now? User:CSkankRabbit 00.58, 15 June UTC —Preceding comment was added at 23:59, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't get pissy about it. I'm certain you know as well as I do that any unsourced material can be removed from any article at anytime. And if you didn't, you do now. I'm not concerned with what's in Captain Jack's article. This is the article on the healing factor.Odin&#39;s Beard (talk) 00:12, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Master Chief
John-117 can heal himself, but would that just be shields or does that count as healing?

Master Chief has shields that regenerate that is controlled by his armor. If he is wounded, he needs a medical kit or he won't heal. He does not have a healing factor. Azn Clayjar (talk) 17:33, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Outside of comics
This section is completely original research and should be removed. Healing Factor is a name that is used specifically in the Marvel Universe. Outside of Marvel, it would be called something else like regeneration. Characters like Jason Voorhees is never referenced as having a healing factor nor did the creators ever said he did. Claire Bennet's power is called accelerated cellular regeneration by the creators of "Heroes" and not called healing factor. Etc, etc. Azn Clayjar (talk) 20:02, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If there's proof that Marvel has trademarked the term, then I can understand the argument more, though I'm fairly sure that they haven't because I've seen the term used in publiations outside of Marvel's control. Whether you call it healing factor or accelerated cellular regeneration or whatever, it's all the same thing. It's the ability to heal bodily injury and sickness with superhuman speed and efficiency. I see no need to split hairs over this.Odin&#39;s Beard (talk) 22:17, 19 August 2008 (UTC)