Talk:Health and Safety Executive

HSE is also a generally accepted term in business refering to "Health, Safety and Environment." Companies have extensive policy and staff to ensure the safety and health of their employees, the customers, other people and the environment. This ranges from seeming trivial things like dietary instruction and ergonomics to regulating the types of personal protective equipment (PPE) that must be worn to the procedures to report near-misses, etc.

This topic needs to be covered in a separate article. Brandon 14:11, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Well create Health, Safety and Environment then, and make HSE a disambiguation page. This is, however, no reason to split Health and Safety Executive. -- Arwel 17:35, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Rfdparker2002 (talk) 09:16, 24 August 2008 (UTC) This article really needs a criticism or controversy section, as there is a large proportion of the British public who believe that Health & Safety laws/regulations in the UK have become 'over-the-top'. It doesn't take too much searching to find many articles and opinions to back this. This seems to be part of the wider dislike of the perceived 'blame culture' that a proportion of the British public believe is being imported from foreign countries; this is related to the rise of "Injured at work?"-style advertisements for personal injury lawyers.

You perhaps try working for someone who doesn't observe basic food hygiene rules to understand that most of these stories are idiotic drivel made up to sell newspapers. Plus, Wikipedia is not an opinion site, it is an encyclopaedia. Lstanley1979 (talk) 12:02, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

This article is about the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) not about health and safety. In addition the HSE do not make the laws. Also they and are not the regulatory body for large sections of commerce and catering in the UK; the local environmental health cover this. The HSE provide documents and codes of practice (mostly free) to help explain the laws and how best to comply. The article and comments appear not to be balanced or accurate. Sidpickle (talk) 09:17, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

POV tag
I have added a POV tag as this article is not neutral. This body is perhaps the most widely ridiculed in British public life, yet there is not a hint at its controversial nature in this article. Abberley2 (talk) 18:31, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * . Or to be less brusque, there's plenty of elfandsafetygonemad stories in the media, but how many of them are specifically about the HSE, rather than the general topic of health and safety? Oldelpaso (talk) 10:00, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

The HSE is not controversial. The only controversies are compiled by people who don't understand what the HSE does to protect people (like myself) from unscrupulous employers. Ergo, there is no need on Wikipedia for a list of the inane stories that come out about it because these are readily available elsewhere. Lstanley1979 (talk) 12:00, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

The HSE is definitely controversial. The only people who don't think it are controversial are the people who work for it. Ignoring a huge part of the concept of the entity on the wikipedia page is ignoring the point of the entry. I have added the POV tag. --Aliwalla (talk) 14:50, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I am re-adding the POV tag. Perhaps the complainers simply don't understand, but the mere fact of their existence makes the HSE controversial. And it is just because these stories are so widely available elsewhere that there should be reference to them here. As Abberley2 points out, this is probably the most widely ridiculed body in British public life, and whether or not the ridicule is justified, this controversy needs to be mentioned. Salim555 (talk) 17:10, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Your addition is generally reasonable, but I removed two of the references as they didn't mention the HSE at all. Oldelpaso (talk) 14:57, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Oldelpaso. I'm aware that those links didn't mention the HSE by name, but they referred to the regulations which the HSE has created. I'm grateful for your help, but would you mind bringing in some additional references of your own, instead of merely deleting? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Salim555 (talk • contribs) 15:05, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

I've added a criticism section. Please do improve on it where you can. I'm leaving the NPOV tag up for now, until there's some consensus that the criticism section is fair. Comments welcome! Salim555 (talk) 15:15, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * By their very nature, criticism sections are something that need to be handled carefully. Synthesis of sources is an easy trap to fall into. we need to stick exactly to what the source says, and we need to make sure the sources used are reliable. It a big jump from the quote "We seem to have allowed [ourselves] to get into a position where we get the blame for things for which we are not responsible" to "However, the HSE denies this, saying that much of the criticism is misplaced because it relates to matters outside the HSE's remit". Likewise we can't put "most criticism of the HSE is that their regulations are over-broad, suffocating, and part of a nanny state" when the reference uses neither "over-broad" nor "suffocating". I'm not saying HSE doesn't get accused of such things – it almost certainly does – but we cannot state that without correctly attributed sourcing. Oldelpaso (talk) 17:22, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * That Telegraph article is weird. It is titled "Health and safety laws are costing jobs" and then says nothing about that in the body. A victim of the trend to promote clickthroughs from the front pages of newspaper sites, no doubt. Makes citing things a pain. Oldelpaso (talk) 17:58, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

External Link
Whilst the infographic added 9 July 2014 is relevant it is hosted on a commercial site, are we okay with this being an external link?RoyalBlueStuey (talk) 12:47, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

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