Talk:Health of Adolf Hitler/Archive 1

Amphetamine/Cocaine-addiction
Having studied Hitler both at undergraduate and Sixth Form level, I have never come across the 'fact' that he was addicted to drugs.

It would be very useful if the article could include clear references to where this point is being made, that it is not universally accepted, and point out other sources (as Haffner's biography "Anmerkungen zu Hitler") which do not make this claim.


 * I nor anyone else here gives a damn that you studied Hitler "at undergraduate and Sixth Form level." The only reference listed so far details the addictions. The entire article begins by noting that the subject is controversial. See also the article on Theodore Morell for your enlightenment. --L. 22:56, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Lighten up L., anon's just asking for a specific reference for these claims. Lisiate 22:59, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * That is indeed what I meant (yes, it is me again), plus a wider variety of sources. If I were to rely on what an individual historian had to say about Hitler, my view on the issue would be very skewed indeed. Furthermore do I believe that the reliability of the one source (Waite) can be disputed, but that is a different matter.
 * May I suggest that you (L.) treat other users with a little more respect and react to constructive criticism like any decent rational being? I believe that I have sufficient justification to make the claim I have made, if only from studying several well-respected Hitler biographies (Kershaw, Fest, Haffner, Bullock) and the fact that I had close contact with Oliver Hirschbiegel's and Bernd Eichinger's team who were working on "The Downfall"/"Der Untergang", a new German film on the last days in the Führerbunker, and I haven't come across Hitler's amphetamine/cocaine addiction being presented as a fact as it is here. I would suggest that this should be changed.
 * On a different matter, may I suggest that the whole business about Hitler having only one testicle be removed entirely or at least cut down to a single statement that it is neither true nor relevant, as I believe that the far more important aspects of Hitler's life are put into a wrong perspective this way. If we were to evaluate the truth of every propaganda claim made about the sexual (or otherwise) health of Nazi characters or indeed any one politician, a lot of time would go to waste and the importance of relevance in historical contexts would vanish entirely.


 * Agreed, lighten up :) AH's meth and cocaine addictions are still controversial, especially as to timing. There's never been much doubt he was addicted to both at the time of his suicide but one could use more documentation about his intake of medications (and motives) during the 1930s. Wyss 11:41, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

May I suggest that you (L.) treat other users with a little more respect and react to constructive criticism like any decent rational being?

This ain't a sewing circle. And to your education, I suggest you look up the slang American word "blowhard." --L. 03:43, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * I know! Let's all lighten up, shall we? :) Wyss 04:18, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Please, can this discussion raise to the level it should be, especially considering the importance of the person this article relates to? I don't appreciate being insulted, and I have done nothing to deserve it.
 * Up to now no-one has actually written a reasonable response to my criticism, which, I believe, deserves to be discussed as we are talking about one of the most important figures of the XXth century and as loads of people do rely on wikipedia as a source of information. (ex-anon from above) --Geetee 15:37, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Anyway I gave a serious answer above, it's the fifth post on the page. Wyss 15:56, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hitled did use amphetamine and/or cocaine (in eye drops), but I don't know if that qualifies as addiction. // Liftarn

Vandalization
The article is more like an anti-Hitler biased high-school kid essay. NPOV tag added. --The Bad Tax Man 11:31, 22 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree. What's interesting is that the article claims there is controversy surrounding Hitler's medical health, but according to various academic sources and academically credible resources, like the History Channel, there is little to no controversy. The controversy that exists seems to be "popular controversy" which is like the "controversy" regarding evolution. Personally, instead of this wiki article, I prefer David Irving's book The Secret Diaries of Hitler's Doctor which extensively details Hitler's medical history, including this fun fact: Morell administered over eighty medicines to Hitler between 1941 and 1945. There's an appendix, too, describing these medicines. But I won't mess with the tags because the newbies tend to take offense. Adraeus 11:41, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * You mean David Irving David Irving? The one who lost a libel lawsuit against Debby Lipstadt, in the course of which his work had to be *proven* to be full of misstatements of material fact?  Wow.  Why would anyone cite him on purpose?  Isn't the point of authority to bolster one's argument, rather than torpedoing it due to tainted credibility?  :)  (apologies if he's known to have been reliable on the subject of AH's health...) Eh Nonymous 21:48, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * It's not anti-Hitler biased. Lots of politicians have health troubles (think of Kennedy and Roosevelt). I'm removing the tag until a consensus for it appears on this page. Wyss 11:38, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

The page reads too much like a GCSE History assignment. Very biased if you ask me. Taxman says this as well. --The Bad Tax Man 11:44, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

No, you must precisely list the alleged points of bias here on the talk page before posting the tag (please do make the list, however). I've no doubt the article can be improved but its content is widely documented. Wyss 11:55, 22 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Check the tagger's contribs - he's a serial vandal and troll. I've removed the NPOV tag (and the tens of ones he placed on random articles).  That doesn't constitute a comment on its neutrality on my part. -- Finlay McWalter |  Talk 11:58, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Sigh. However, at least Adraeus made a helpful comment which I've reflected in the opening text. Wyss 12:03, 22 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I may be dreaming, but isn't the word "Vandalism" the normal way of expressing this segment's title? Garrick92 18:34, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

ANother book on Hitler and Dr Morrell "The Medical Casebook of Adolf Hitler"https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=99097 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.5.89.128 (talk) 13:12, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Merge
We could merge this topic with Hitler. What do you guys think? The more information in one place (that relates to each-other) the better. Jake 17:22, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Merge Bio is bio and belongs in a single bio article. There's no advantage to spreading it all over the place. Rklawton 01:38, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I disagree on such a merge; the Adolf Hitler article is already huge, and Wikipedia policy suggests sub-articles in such cases. In addition, much of the info here is so controversial/refuted that it is probably out of place in the main article, which is presumably mostly fact and undisputed. TAnthony 16:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Merge with Sexuality of Adolf Hitler
I've tagged this page to be merged with Sexuality of Adolf Hitler. After all, information regarding this subject is already mentioned in this article. OSU80 11:46, 18 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I've merged the article Sexuality of Adolf Hitler with this article. OSU80 01:45, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

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I must say the "sexuality" part of Hitler is total rubbish. The only evidence of his sexuality is probably one of low libido as hinted in Oberregierungsrat Leybold's Statement...

"He has no interest in women, and received the visits of women friends and followers without any particular enthusiasm but with the utmost politeness, and never allowed himself to be drawn into serious political discussions with them."

He was definately not homosexual, never painted male nudes but did several female nudes and had at least one girlfriend Eva Broun (sp?) whom he later married.

The very page "Adolf Hitler's medical health" comes across as an immature attempt by Zionists to humiliate somemone who despised and humiliated them. Hitler's health is historically totally irrelevant and anyone who thinks Hitler might have been insane should take a closer look at Hitler's exceptional military accomplishments, artistic skills, political and social knowledge, and many other skills he possesed. It takes a very high IQ to be able to study and understand Marxism theory and Hitler proved more than capable of handling that and many other complex subjects. Personally I think this page is comprised of vengeful baby talk and undermines Wiki in general. In the same way that Israelis today are systematically eliminating all Arabs/Muslims around Israel so too did Hitler, a German nationalist, eliminate Jews from his homeland which he undoubtably loved. George Bush I might add is also carrying out his own nationalistic crusade in Iraq and Afganistan against whom he calls "islamofachists"!!! There is absolutely no difference between successive Israeli governments, Bush, and Hitler... all being extreme nationalists hell-bent on "cleansing" the World from evil, although Hitler has the advantage of being far more intelligent to the rest and his "accomplishments" prove this. Thank you and regards, Marios Polycarpou.

What does sexuality have to do with one's "medical health"? Are the authors implying homosexuality is a disease?67.190.197.116 09:21, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I absolutely agree. What are speculations about his sexuality doing in an article about his health? If you could work it into something about his mental health, then maybe. At the moment it's insulting to gay people.Neil 03:35, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Medical Health and Sexual Orientation are completely different topics; this is in its present state incredibly insulting to gay people! Sexual orientation is in no way a reflection of one's health, physical or mental. I request that this be removed unless someone can give a compelling reason to link one's health and orientation. Exate 17:34, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I came to the talk page to say this, thankfully someone already has. Orientation is not an illness, mental or otherwise. I'd like to add my voice to those saying it should be moved/removed immediately. 74.78.228.126 23:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * With no responses in favor of keeping this section, I am hereby deleting it.Exate 07:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Redundant part removed
I deleted a part of the article which appeared twice. The proceeding unsigned comment was inserted by 24.51.190.141 23:15, 30 April 2006

Article name
"Medical health" is a bit redundant, and the article address more than just his physical health. Is there any objection to moving this to Adolf Hitler's health or Adolf Hitler's physical and mental health? -AED 05:18, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Health seems better to me. Bucketsofg✐ 05:21, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Removal
I propose this whole (censored) thing be removed! Come on! Who wrote this, and why? Colonel Marksman 17:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Work camps and product-development schemes
Er, 'Hit-ler' may have been the subject, along with his Nazis and immigrants, of a business scheme to hammer out a free-standing trash masher machine. beadtot  6/6/2006   02:11, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Flatulence attributed to (semi-)vegetarian diet?
This is in stark contrast to other reports which that he chose a semi-vegetarian diet because of adverse reactions to red meat consumption, which included stomach cramps, excessive sweating and flatulence. See for instance, ,. Aragorn2 19:59, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Wounds
I've heard that Hitler was injured in the head (probably during WW1) and had a metal plate and this was the reason he covered his forehead. I've also heard about injuries to the upper lip. That would explain the silly moustace, but then it was in style then so... // Liftarn

"One ball"
"Hitler, just like Goebbels, was burned (carbonized, to be exact) after his suicide, there hardly could be much left for autopsy after his death." Now, this just isn't correct. Hitler was partially cremated using (from memory) around 12 gallons of petrol. One foot was charred off, the skin was burned off along with some muscle tissue and the underlying fat deposits at extremities only; the skull remained mostly intact, all teeth survived, the torso mainly intact apart from the bit that was uppermost. Same goes for Goebbels who was easily identified in profile by people who knew him. Garrick92 18:33, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure about that but he get injured when the allies attacked the trench where he was with mustard gas.

Psychiatrist
In the article it's said: Hitler never visited a psychiatrist

Hitler was interviewed several times by Dr. Edmund Forster, psychiatrist of military hospital in Pasewalk in 1918, when Hitler was hospitalized being wounded in a gas attack near Ypres. Dr.Forster suggested Hitler's blindness could have been  psychophysiologic illness more than a straight physical symptom.(ref:prologue in Toland's Hitler) A case of hysterical blindess, if you will. --Ukas 23:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Alcohol consumption
The Vegetarianism of Adolf Hitler article describes him as a teetotaler, a person who practices *complete* abstinence from alcohol. However, this article states that he "more or less eschewed alcohol," which paints - in my mind - a different picture, as it implies occasional consumption. Which is it? intooblv 19:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I think most historians agree that Hitler got drunk only once in his life, when he was 15 or so. And that he enjoyed a glass of wine on a rare occasion but he mixed few teaspoons of sugar with the wine - he had a sweet tooth. Also he reportedly had a pint of beer or two during the Hitler-putsch remembrance ceremonies in Munich Feldherrnhalle. Sometimes Champagne when there was a toast. That's about it. I've read dozens of books of his life. Mainly he disliked alcohol and it's effects and sometimes even, like during the Stalingrad siege, banned the use of alcohol in his headquarters.--62.121.57.34 (talk) 01:17, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Syphilis and Salvarsan
This article colports that Hitler suffered from Syphilis and "took treatment for it". Given that an effective cure for syphilis had become available in 1910 when Salvarsan (Arsphenamine) was introduced to the German market (when Hitler was 21), it is highly improbable that Hitler did, indeed, suffer from that particular disease. --69.91.167.110 (talk) 21:10, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

You are wrong.Salvarsan wasn't an effective cure for syphilis.Salvarsan was used to treat Lenin, also with syphilis and was useless, even to save the life of that communist.There was some sucess in control of syphilis with malaria + salvarsan.

In fact the article writes:"However, syphilis had become curable in 1910 with Dr.Paul Ehrlich's introduction of the drug Salvarsan".The article is wrong.Syphilis became really curable, only with the penicilin, available only, in 1940 decade.Agre22 (talk) 18:21, 25 April 2009 (UTC)agre22

Schizophrenia section
Is in a very bad condition, lacks citations entirely, and rambles incoherently, starting at "schizophrenia" in the family and bugs out to "maybe caused by drug abuse"? Huh? Was it a schizophrenia or was it a drug condition? What's the point of a section like that? Can anything be done to save it or have it already reached the /dev/null of our patience? Asked: Said: Rursus (☻) 21:58, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Mental health
As someone all too familiar with Asperger's, and having also read many books written by and about Hitler and his intimates in the original German, I must say that I firmly believe, like Professor Fitzgerald, that the Asperger's diagnosis will come to be accepted for Hitler. Because the media "discovered" Asperger's syndrome only recently (the first translation, by Uta Frith, of Asperger's work into English wasn't until 1992), there tends to be an assumption that the syndrome itself is a fad. It's not, it's a human condition that is actually quite common, much more so than full-blown autism. In the future, many well-known historical figures will be identified as having had Asperger's syndrome, just as we can now diagnose the illnesses of historical figures who suffered from once-unidentified diseases.

Asperger's Syndrome, which affects mostly males, is marked by intense, overriding interest in a few areas (Tony Attwood, an Asperger's expert, has called universities "a shelter for Aspies"); a tendency to rant or monologue rather than converse (this emphatically does not rule out eloquence in oratory); a lack of empathy and of close friendships, often combined with formal courtesy to women; strange eating, sleeping, and clothing habits; and often, by brilliance in some area. Read, among other books, "The Young Hitler I Knew" by August Kubisek (Hitler's only childhood friend) and "Until the Final Hour" by Traudl Junge (one of Hitler's young secretaries, who was in the bunker with him during the fall of Berlin) and you will see a description of a man on the autism spectrum.

Maybe the reason professor Fitzgerald ascribes Asperger's to so many historical figures is that so many historical figures have had Asperger's. The characteristics I mention are more likely to propel someone in the direction of fame rather than happiness. Evangeline (talk) 01:11, 3 January 2009 (UTC)Evangeline

Nope, there is no such condition at all and "Professor" Fitzgerald is just a hack author who should be sued for slander. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.9.168.162 (talk) 21:46, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

There is a short discussion of Fitzgerald's conjecture that Hitler had Asperger's here People speculated to have been autistic 121.222.167.137 (talk) 23:53, 17 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The possibility that Hitler Aspergers syndrome deserves inclusion in the article, however, the section too closely follows the wording used in Fitzgerald's book and could infringe copyright. It needs rewriting. Additionally, Fries (2009) recently published a longer peer reviewed article in Läkartidningen (unfortunately in Swedish) that also proposes that Hitler had Aspergers syndrome. Would be nice to see Fries (2009) added too, anyone speak Swedish? --Diamonddavej (talk) 20:02, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Asperger's Syndrome
Michael Fitzgerald writes: „Adolf Hitler meets the criteria of autistic psychopathy“. (Autism and creativity S. 27) There is no diagnosis "Asperger" by Fitzgerald. --UnGestoert (talk) 08:06, 16 December 2009 (UTC) No mention is made of psychopathy in the article; there should be discussions of Hitler's sociopathic/psychopathic traits since it is those traits that led to his crimes against humanity not his autistic traits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.36.145.234 (talk) 04:52, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Article title, revisited
I agree that "medical health" is redundant, and go further to say it was not well thought out. It would be better to change it to "medical condition". Any objections? Chris the speller (talk) 04:47, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Not a whimper over a two-week period, so I moved it to "medical condition". Chris the speller (talk) 02:11, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Requested move 13 September 2017

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: no consensus and no indication an additional relist would change that. Article defaults to staying at the stable title. (non-admin closure) TonyBallioni (talk) 04:16, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Adolf Hitler's health → Health of Adolf Hitler – clarity, avoid "'s"-genetive form 92.228.158.145 (talk) 10:25, 13 September 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. Andrewa (talk) 23:01, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:29, 13 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Leave alone, normal format is Category:Health by individual for several good reasons. No need for an RM here either. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:39, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Queried. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:29, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose we start articles about historical figures with the person's name so they come up in predictive searches. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:31, 13 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose. What's wrong with the "genitive"?  And how is the proposed title clearer?  Other articles at Category:Health by individual also use the possessive.  —  AjaxSmack  03:04, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Support, for consistency with Religious views of Adolf Hitler, Political views of Adolf Hitler, Last will and testament of Adolf Hitler. However, Adolf Hitler's directives would remain an anomaly. bd2412  T 14:46, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Relisting comment: To me the proposed move does increase clarity, but the point by regarding predictive searches is an excellent one and should be discussed as a policy issue. The arguments for consistency are also relevant but can be argued both ways. Andrewa (talk) 23:01, 20 September 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Hitler Has Only Got One Ball
How can an article about a bawdy wartime song be of any use to a reader who is looking for actual information about the health of Adolf Hitler? Linking it once as a hatnote to a paragraph seems like overkill, but to then link it in the text as in someway relevant ("see also") to opinions published in a book in the sixties makes no sense to me at all. William Avery (talk) 11:28, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Please take a look, I have already reverted my edit. Beyond My Ken (talk) 11:34, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Cheers :-) William Avery (talk) 21:07, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

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Added the "original research" template to the subsection on Huntington's disease
None of the citations in that section actually allege that Hitler had the disease. It looks like original research from somebody who looked at the symptoms and thought they matched Hitler's motor movements.

For what it's worth, this is my personal opinion, but it's highly unlikely that he had HD due to neither of his parents having had documented symptoms. Nor did Hitler show choreic movements. While not everybody with HD exhibits chorea, Parkinson's disease is a much more likely explanation for Hitler's motor deterioration. 140.141.4.72 (talk) 21:17, 25 April 2022 (UTC)