Talk:Healthcare in Mexico/Archive 1

Hospicio Cabañas?
What is a picture of Hospicio Cabañas doing in this article? And what does its UNESCO World Heritage status has to do with healthcare in Mexico? I think it should be removed, possibly being replaced with the pictures of IMSS and ISSSTE central offices found in the Spanish version of this article--71.112.46.33 (talk) 09:12, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Internationalliving.com
This site is mentioned as a source of information in the article. I am on their mailing list, and I don't think they area a reliable source of information. They are a site specializing on making money from foreigners who can be talked into buying real estate, as far as I can see. If there is a country where they don't know how to make money (Russia, say), they don't cover it.

If any site can be used as a source of information, can I create a site and just say whatever I want and use the site I created as evidence? Perhaps i will do that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geneven (talk • contribs) 20:48, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Someone check my math
As of 4/2010 the article states that the HIV/AIDS death rate in the US is double that of Mexico:

"...at 11,000 deaths/year vs. 22,000/year in the U.S., this represents a 50% lower per capita death rate than the United States.",

but the numbers in the reference cited are not per capita, and the population in the US is almost three times that of Mexico. Dividing both death rates by the population to get the per capita rate yields 0.0102% and 0.0071% for Mexico and the U.S., respectively:

11,000 / 107,550,697 = 0.00010227735 = 0.0102%

22,000 / 309,162,581 = 0.00007115997 = 0.0071%

These are using 2010 population statistics and 2007 death rate statistics, but the former is more or less linear on a 3-year scale for both countries. Finally, calculating relative percentage shows a 44% increase:

0.00010227735 / 0.00007115997 = 1.43729 = 143.73% = 44% increase —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nathanielcolson (talk • contribs) 08:07, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Reference is invalid
Link 13 is 404 not found — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexfarrill (talk • contribs) 13:24, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Fixed. Mercy11 (talk) 05:09, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

OECD Comparisons
The various comparisons to OECD averages would be more useful if we knew what the actual averages were. For example, under Health Statistics we find two statements "Total health care spending accounted for 6.4 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) in 2005; per capita spending on health care was US$675 (adjusted for purchasing power parity)—about a quarter of the OECD average."

and "In 2005, Mexico had 1.8 doctors and 2.2 nurses per 1,000 population, a significant increase in health care personnel over the previous decade but again below the OECD averages for these indicators."

The first is much more useful than the second. Without some actual scale to the comparisons just saying "below" isn't clear enough. If Mexico has 1.8 doctors per 1000 population and the OECD average is 1.8001/1000 this is very different than if the OECD average is 20/1000 (obviously I'm exaggerating to make my point clearer). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.179.18 (talk) 14:44, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

5 Quality
This is completely false...Mexican hospitals [are] equipped to a first world standard with modern equipment and hygienic practices, [and] many Mexican doctors and dentists...received their training in the US."

This would apply to private institutions for the foreigners. I use a lot of public health care and It's not up to the first world standard unfortunately. The first fault is the hygiene of their establishments. For example the toilets lack paper and soap, and even though people know this and bring their own´, this should be the first and easy step to improve hygiene. On the other hand availability is surprisingly good usually you can get a consult on the same day or by the internet within 5 days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gomichelada (talk • contribs) 00:48, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Ridiculous
"Mexican health care has been reported to be comparable to that in the United States: "in general, health care in Mexico is very good…and in many places it is excellent" Quoted from: http://www.viento.com.mx/ (A web-page from a private residence club in mexico)

Mexican health care is - unfortunatelly - as bad as it can be. I am not talking about private hostpitals for the wealthy. I am talking about the hospitals for the poor. I have seen dozens of people lying on the floor waiting for their turn. Some of them badly injured. So what is this Wiki-site supposed to be? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.32.33.125 (talk) 14:26, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit by GeorgeLouis
I have restored sourced information by GeorgeLouis HERE. The remover's rationale HERE states "Not a reliable source. It is a site supporting universal health care." However, I fail to find anywhere in the policy where it states that sites supporting universal health care are unreliable sources. Perhaps GeorgeLouis would care to discuss his rationale further. Mercy11 (talk) 00:23, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

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Bias?
One aspect of the article that I think could be improved upon is the removal of the little distinguishable bias that exists in it. This could also be performed with relatively little action, and is something I consider to be of considerable importance. For the most part, the article maintains a strong notion of objectivity. However, in one instance in the "History" section of the article, the contributors included two direct quotes from health authorities that portrayed the healthcare system of Mexico in a positive light, and did not include any statements within the same section that may have addressed the negative aspects of it. I believe it is important to include this, especially in this section of the article to preserve the objectivism in what is mostly a uniform article in this respect. Epant25 (talk) 04:35, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Possible editing
Hello everyone!

As part of a course project, I am considering editing and expanding upon this article. It is very interesting to me, as I hold a large interest in public health and the health sector. Additionally, I possess a personal connection to the topic, as I am of Mexican heritage.

I would like to expand upon the basic information provided by this article. There are a large amount of areas for improvement within this article, including but not limited to— expansion on existing subtopics included in the conversation, the addition of other relevant subtopics, the inclusion of more recent sources, and the improvement of source attribution.

If you would like to know more about me, the references I plan on utilizing, or this project, please visit my page or reach out!Epant25 (talk) 01:58, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Contribution plan
Hello, I am planning on contributing to this article in the very near future. Here is a brief summary of the work I plan to perform on this:

History: Plan to add build upon the already provided information— specifically, on the paragraph that contains the origins and legislative acts from which the modern Mexican healthcare system arose.

Private healthcare delivery: Plan to add two new subsections here, “Accessibility” and “Quality”. In these sections, I will highlight the private healthcare system in Mexico, the frequency with which this is utilized, private health insurance in Mexico and coverage, and the quality of care and services as compared to the public system.

Public healthcare delivery: Plan to add two new subsections here, “Institutions” and “Accessibility and Quality”. These will include details concerning the quality of care, services, and accessibility of these, especially presenting statistics to supplement the conveying of this notion.

Health Statistics: Plan to add two new subsections here, “Current health issues” and “Health expenditure”. In the first section, I will explicitly provide an overview of the current major health issues facing the Mexican populace currently, and also provide some information on the current measures, both state-sponsored and nongovernmental, being taken to combat these. In the latter section, I will expand upon the brief account of healthcare expenditure already presented in the article, and specifically provide information related to patient expenditure on health services.

Accessibility (currently named "affordability"): I plan on renaming this section in order to provide a more complex and accurate image of the state of health services accessibility. I plan on including more information on economic difficulties, as well as coverage information, rural care, and other complexities involved in healthcare accessibility across the country.

Social determinants: I plan on deleting this section— as I don’t find it incredibly relevant to the main focus of the article.

See Also: I plan on the addition of the a “Social determinants of health in Mexico” link, as I think its placement here is much more relevant than the inclusion of section in the actual article.

A list of relevant references by section that I plan on utilizing are listed on my user page, and if you have any questions about the editing plan or project please do not hesitate to reach out! Additionally, my sandbox (User:Epant25/sandbox) contains a more expanded list of relevant information about my possible editing. Epant25 (talk) 16:23, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Initial writing
Hello all, I have begun making some contributions on this article on the "History" and "Public healthcare delivery sections". Please feel free to look through the edits made and the editing history, and provide me with any feedback, as I am a first time writer. Additionally, if you have any questions about the course project this article revision corresponds to, please check my page for additional info.

Thanks! Epant25 (talk) 04:38, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Deletion of "Social Determinants" section
Hello all, I am proposing the deletion of the "Social Determinants" section of this article. I feel that this information lies beyond the scope of the article— which is mostly a summary of the healthcare system in the country, and not on the state of health among and within certain populations.

This type of information is much more appropriate in the "See Also" section of the article. A revision following this would consist of the deletion of this section of the article, and the addition of a link to this article to the more appropriate "See Also" section.

If you would like to discuss further about this revision, or the course project from which this edit is based, please reach out to me! Epant25 (talk) 22:25, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Peer Review
Hi Esteban, I think your work on this article is really great! You added a bunch of new sources and drew out really interesting information from the sources. I appreciate how you attributed somewhat controversial topics to the scholars who said them with in-line citations rather than just footnotes, this made the article seem neutral while still providing research results from important scholars. I also really liked the ‘Diabetes’ section you added, it was super interesting to read! Most of my feedback is pretty minor. 1) explain Seguro popular earlier in the text, because it’s mentioned once before it actually gets explained. Mainly just the part about “this offers health insurance to people w/o formal employment” that part is a little unclear until it gets explained in the “public healthcare delivery section”. Also, there seem to be some unsourced statements, e.g. in the “private healthcare delivery”, “public healthcare delivery” section. It’s usually sentences that come right before a cited sentence, so I’m guessing the next sentence’s citation refers to the previous citation too. I think both sentences should have a citation, but this could be wrong. Finally, the lead could use some more information to foreshadow what is coming in the article, especially re: the info you added. This will help the reader have a better overview before jumping into the details. Great job! SSchlhmr (talk) 04:15, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Peer Review
I think Esteban did a really good job on maintaining a neutral tone in the article and making sure his additions had context from the sources. His sections were all written very professionally. For such a broad topic, I was impressed by how much he managed to narrow down to focus on some very important aspects of the topic like accessibility. I could even some themes we discussed in class in the structure of his article. I think his additions definitely provided much needed context to the healthcare situation for those in more rural areas. As for changes, I would mostly work on adding more relevant images as well as increase the content to address more factors surrounding each of your topics. I would also add more recent sources to provide more context on the issues. Maybe including a reference published more recently even both scholarly and non-scholarly would help provide context on current situations. To maybe include more perspectives, I would include the perspectives of policy makers, those working in healthcare institutions like doctors as well as the patients just to see how accessibility is affected by all of these levels. Currently there is more perspective on rural patients. As for the references, he definitely drew from a diverse range of scholars, but I feel like there might be limited to too few locations of where he drew the sources from like from the Office of the Presidency. I do feel like some information on the people and not just the structures in the healthcare system is missing. I feel like the section on “Accessibility” could include how costs could impact those with health insurance as well. Overall how costs affects more demographics could give a better overview. I was also wondering about other insurance plans and why “Seguro Popular” was so popular. Overall the “Accessibility” topic and “Current Health Issues” could address more perspectives (like the doctor’s perspective on accessibility), more broad sides to the issues (like how costs can be expensive for those with health insurance as well), background information on topics like “Seguro Popular”, and more recent sources. I think images would help illustrate the points he makes even more. Especially concerning accessibility, pictures of structure that increases access vs. those that hinder access could illustrate his points better. I think the references and additional information would provide more context and address more people impacted by this issue. The most important things to work on would be to include more information concerning other populations in Mexico and how they are impacted by healthcare in Mexico currently. These points can be accented with additional images. I would also source all of your sentences. Atsang99 (talk) 19:15, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Current Health Issues Section
Hello all, As you may have noticed— I have added a section to the "Current Health Issues" section on diabetes. I may add one more subsection to this part of the article in the near future. I think this section is quite important, and I feel it would be a great space for future contributors to add subsections in topics relevant to this part of the article. Feel free to add/ include any more information on there! Epant25 (talk) 16:48, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Mental Health
Hello all. I am interested in developing a subsection below diabetes that addresses mental health. This article is focused on only physical health and would like to open it to the definition used by WHO which includes both mental and physical components. Ambedia (talk) 17:36, 22 April 2020 (UTC)ambedia

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 28 August 2019 and 5 December 2019. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Epant25. Peer reviewers: SSchlhmr, Atsang99. 20:59, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 21 January 2020 and 15 May 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Ambedia. Peer reviewers: Brian S Liu, Izzy.vin. 20:59, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Link to Spanish article
Does anyone know how to edit the "Languages" links at the left of the page? This article should be linked with the "Salud en México" article on the Spanish wikipedia site, https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salud_en_M%C3%A9xico. For some reason I can't do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Potosino (talk • contribs) 01:29, 16 February 2020 (UTC)