Talk:Heart-Shaped Box

A class
Something can only be a-class if its a better than average GA. Andman8 22:20, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I submit that the first paragraph is nonsense - All Apologies was released well before Kurt topped himself... ? Morwen - Talk 21:02, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Resource
Can we get a resource for the original title? -- LGagnon 05:28, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

-5cott-  Does anyone else think that it is strange that the article makes reference to Cobain interview from 1995, one year AFTER he died?

Accolades
I thought the following Heart-Shaped Box things would go nicely here: Accolades Rolling Stone magazine Critics Pick Singles #3 (1993) Kerrang! magazine "100 Greatest Rock Tracks Ever" #10 (1999) Kerrang! magazine "100 Greatest Singles of all Time" #32 (2002)

Embryonic ???
Why is this word 'embryonic' being used to describe the demo version of Heart-Shaped Box ? Is it supposed to be some sort of 'pun' like the word 'embryo' to coincide with the 'In Utero' album theme of birth ?

Meaning
I think there's much more that can be said about the meaning of this song and especially the video. Mention should be made of the opening, where the three seem to be on a death watch, and the sharp contrast with the fetuses, as a birth-death dichotomy. It seems like there's much more here, as the video has a kind of cathartic effect. Who is dying at the death watch? Christ? That symbolism is there too. I might do some research and see what I can add that's not my own guessing. Then again, it may just be a bunch of random crap. --DanielCD 20:16, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Charts
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Nirvana's 'Heart-Shaped Box was kicked off the Australian Alternative Music Charts No.1 spot by Powderfinger's Reap What You Sow, Tranfusion EP.

Germany []

The article states that Heart Shaped Box failed to make the Billboard Hot 100. This is somewhat of an unfair statement because this was only a radio single in America and wasn't even eligible for the Hot 100. At the time an actual single had to be released in stores for a single to count on the Billboard Hot 100. Allaplgies (talk) 18:02, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

girl info
any info about that girl on the video? i mean there is info about the baby from the nevermind's cover so i think it would be intersting to know something about that girl

Patti Smith
For some reason, multiple knowledgable people have told me that this song was covered by Nirvana and was originally done by Patti Smith. Perhaps a repudiation of this myth is needed. -- 131.230.135.20


 * If you can't find a legit source that claims this, don't add it. -- LGagnon 04:49, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Suicide note
One of the major POV problems with Kurt Cobain related articles is the issue of his death. It has been decided that, despite the official record being suicide, that Wikipedia hould not claim that it definitely was in his article, as that is pushing one POV that there is some evidence against. Likewise, I think this article should reword the claim that the "suicide" note was in fact such a note (see Kurt's article to understand why), if at least to keep Wikipedia's articles involving his death consistent with each other's NPOV status. -- LGagnon 19:47, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

"Treatment" vs. "Variation"
I propose changing the word "variation" back to "treatment." I believe "treatment" is the proper term in this case - sort of like "film treatment," except with a music video. A written plan for the video.

To me, "variation" has a totally different meaning, it implies a different version of the actual video.

Other Version of the Song
Evanescense has their own version of "Heart Shaped Box". Same lyrics, differant sound. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.203.205.35 (talk) 17:34, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Other Version of the Song
There's lots of fucking vandalism here. Somebody proffread! (166.205.9.218 (talk) 03:47, 16 November 2009 (UTC))

Evanescense redid the song "Heart Shaped Box". Same exact lyrics, with a differant style. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.203.205.35 (talk) 17:31, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Lovedrug has released a version as well.70.96.106.34 (talk) 22:59, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Courtney Love Twitter
"You do know the song is about my vagina, right?"

"Throw down your umbilical noose so I can climb right back..."

"Some of the lyrics about my vagina, I contributed."

"So, umm, next time you sing it, think about my vagina, will you? Lol."

The tweets were later deleted.


 * I was wondering if anyone else noticed that. Rolling Stone and Stereogum reported on it. Might be notable, considering the article currently mentions nothing about Miss Love's vagina. --Thevampireashlee (talk) 10:04, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Putting it lightly, Courtney is known for making outrageous statements that have tenuous factual basis. In any event, Kurt Cobain's explanation for what the song is cited in the article, and it has nothing to do with vaginas (even if he did have a penchant for medical imagery). WesleyDodds (talk) 11:44, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Canadian Singles Chart
Until the year 2000 the official Canadian Singles Chart was compiled by RPM (magazine). According to the Wikipedia guidelines at Record charts, the archives for the RPM singles found here: are recommended. Heart-Shaped Box charted at number 17 and can be found in the archives here:. I suggest that we add it to the chart table.QuintusPetillius (talk) 16:57, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
 * My question is is there a more definitive source for Canadian chart positions? The problem with citing a chart from an individual issue of RPM is that it shows chart positions only up to a given week, with no indication if there was a peak afterward. WesleyDodds (talk) 00:03, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Interesting point. However the source used is included in Record charts, and I think it is normally assumed that the peak chart position is as given in the source. I am not bothered either way. If we could find a source which states the actual peak then that would be better.mjgm84 (talk) 07:51, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Just because it's listed as a recommend chart doesn't mean we are bound to use it. After all, it would be perfectly acceptable if it was citing a number-one chart position, because you can't get any higher. But anything else? That's problematic. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:25, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I have removed the Canadian listing from the article until a better source can be found.mjgm84 (talk) 14:56, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Lawsuit
The article says "After the video's release, Kevin Kerslake sued Nirvana, alleging copyright infringement. The case was settled out of court." Is there any further information on this, maybe what his reasons were or something? I realize it's sourced but the source is not readily available, and being unfamiliar with this story I haven't managed to find out. I did find some mention of the suit in quotes from Kerslake, but as those were after the fact he didn't go into any more detail than remarking on its impact on his relationship with the band. Rifter0x0000 (talk) 13:43, 9 June 2017 (UTC)


 * "In fact there would be legal trouble over the video's imagery, though the issue was one of attribution; on March 9, 1994, Kerslake's attorneys filed a suit alleging copyright infringement. But the suit had no effect on the video's distribution, and was eventually settled out of court. The terms of the settlement were never disclosed." --Mauro Lanari (talk) 18:30, 9 June 2017 (UTC)