Talk:Hebrew Academy of San Francisco

What makes a school noteworthy?
@Onel5969 I'm not sure I understand the notability issue. The school existed, taught students, had notable teachers and alumni. What precisely are the criteria for a notable school? Curwin (talk) 17:15, 9 February 2023 (UTC)


 * In-depth coverage from independent, secondary, reliable sources. Usually at least 3 in-depth articles about the school from those types of those sources.  Right now, only the Times of Israel comes close to being in-depth enough, and I would argue that you'd need five or six like that, since it is barely more than an extended blurb.  In addition, it's not a greatly reliable source.  Onel 5969  TT me 17:37, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @Onel5969 - The page has been updated with extensive sourcing. Looking forward to it being published soon. Curwin (talk) 15:00, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi. Refbombing with lots of trivial mentions does not help in reviewing articles.  The first ten I looked at were all like that.  Will take a look at the others when I get the chance.  Onel 5969  TT me 15:03, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * There looks like two sets of sources provided
 * 1. Articles from J. The Jewish News of Northern California - these all need to be reformatted with the proper newspaper titles and dates, and via Library collection - mostly routine stuff but some give good detail like first graduating class, administrators / teachers updates
 * 2. Articles concerning the 2016 closure - some might be the same agency AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 15:16, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @Onel5969 there are a lot more reliable sources than that. Skimming the reference list I see "Jewish Social Studies" journal, NY Times, SF Chronicle, an Oxford UP published book, and Findlaw appear as sources for things other than the school's closure. The whole article is vastly better than a typical Wikipedia article on a high school (e.g. the first 10 entries in List of high schools in Texas) both in content and sourcing. It's strange that you are nitpicking this article (some fraction of the references "need" to have their wording changed or the article can't be published?? and seemingly those references already had the format you asked for when you wrote that comment?) while ignoring much larger issues in articles about similar schools elsewhere. In short I see no reason not to publish this article in its current state. Ar2332 (talk) 18:10, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to get the references cleaned up as they are cited incorrectly. Also rearranged a number of paragraphs.  AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 02:37, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @AngusWOOF - Thanks for all your work. Do you think the page is ready for review? Curwin (talk) 14:11, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't nitpick WP:OSE other schools article quality and just focus on what will get this one through with GNG sources. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 02:38, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @AngusWOOF - Thanks for getting the page republished. Do you know when/how the notability banner can be removed? Curwin (talk) 18:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Legal issues / funding
This needs a neutral editor to go through the timeline of the relationship and events between the school, Lipner, Koret Foundation, and Richard Goldman. There were lawsuits, grant refusals, dismissed appeals, resubmitted appeals. AngusW🐶🐶F ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:27, 22 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @AngusWOOF - Can that section be removed for now until a neutral editor reviews it, and the rest can be published? Curwin (talk) 17:31, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I can mark it as npov and needing a rewrite and refer to this section. It's an important event to note since it was a major lawsuit and has repercussions on its funding state.  AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:36, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @AngusWOOF Sounds good, thanks. Curwin (talk) 17:38, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Renaming to Lisa Kampner Hebrew Academy
So the website was rebranded in 2011, but I also see a news article dated 2005 that said it was Lisa Kampner http://web.archive.org/web/20210928031801/https://archives.sfweekly.com/sanfrancisco/silence-is-goldman/Content?oid=2157436  So need to know when it was officially renamed. AngusW🐶🐶F ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:33, 22 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @AngusWOOF I see from this announcement that the school was not renamed as of December 2004:
 * https://jweekly.com/2004/12/03/shorts-bay-area-42/
 * But was renamed by June 2005:
 * https://jweekly.com/2005/06/03/teen-essayist-finds-recipe-for-success/
 * And I did find an announcement of the upcoming name change in January 2005:
 * https://www.nli.org.il/he/newspapers/jweekly/2005/01/14/article/35.1/?srpos=12&e=---he-20-jweekly-1--img-txIN%7ctxTI-%22lisa+kampner%22-1
 * I just can't give the precise date when the renaming occurred based on external sources. Curwin (talk) 17:50, 22 February 2023 (UTC)