Talk:Heckler & Koch HK417

Merger
No, while related they are two different designs.Paulwharton (talk) 01:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Oppose. Same Reason as Paulwharton. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.81.226.247 (talk) 23:21, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

It seems to me that the only difference listed is in the caliber. Fresnel149 (talk) 12:46, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

The HK417 & HK416 differs in weight, rifling, calibre, looks, models & firepower., They are two diffrent guns! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.81.75 (talk) 04:17, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Definitely a Difference in aesthetics, caliber fired, firepower...it's a completely different firearm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thor.Norway (talk • contribs) 18:17, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

It is NOT a different weapon. It's the same weapon, chambered for a different round. To have the HK416 and HK417 article as seperate is ridiculous, especially when the Mk16 and Mk17 rifles (SCAR-L and SCAR-H) are combined in one article.--Darth Windu (talk) 13:32, 12 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose - After reading a little about the product, the HK417 is quite different in design and build. Koalorka (talk) 16:06, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * How so?13Tawaazun14 (talk) 19:09, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Support per above. These firearms are the same with the exception of caliber, which causes differences in other ways. Essentially it's the same weapon with a bigger round.13Tawaazun14 (talk) 18:28, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Support The 416 and 417 are different versions of the same product. --CLS (talk) 17:43, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose: No merger, the 416 is a carbine and the 417 is a rifle and are different enough weapons to deserve their own article. Just like the M4 Carbine versus the M16 rifle. Green Squares (talk) 11:49, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Carbine vs. Rifle is not a big enough difference to warrent a seperate article. The two you pointed out are not seperated for those reasons.72.81.227.98 (talk) 00:05, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Support - as per above - the 416 and 417 and the same basic design, using two calibers. However, then the HK41 and HK43 should also be merged. RickH86 (talk) 13:06, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Oppose The HK417 is essentially a new rifle derived from the HK416. Although the design is similar, it is in itself a separate design. And so are the purposes of the two rifles-- KH Wiknerd ( talk ) 12:54, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Oppose Two different guns, two different roles. M4 (carbine) and M16 (rifle) are much more the same, even with the same calibers, as said above. Do you want to merge them too? --0815RN (talk) 17:42, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

AR-15 Vaariants
Is this an AR-15 variant? expect the design there is nothing in common with any AR weapon.--Sanandros (talk) 12:05, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Not really. But it was designed to have very similar handling characteristics as an AR, so if you are used to ARs you can use the HK 416 and HK 417 with ease. --0815RN (talk) 17:47, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Dates
When was it made, introduced to which armies, etc. There are no indications within the article of when it is from and H&K have been producing for awhile. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.207.191 (talk) 13:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Update
Edited the weights and added muzzle velocity data (source: HK official website) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xjuliix (talk • contribs) 12:46, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Royal marines use outside of 3 Commando.
On the TV documentary "Ross Kemp on Pirates", a Fleet Protection Group Royal Marine is seen carrying an HK417 on a helicopter, probably used as a Designated Sniper rifle. (S01E01, ~25 min. into the video) Although this probably would not be strong enough in itself to be a source I'd say it's better to keep a watch out for these HK417s. They might be more common than what the article itself says. -- KH Wiknerd ( talk ) 13:01, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

2.30.163.44 (talk) 21:19, 6 October 2012 (UTC) The weapon being used in that footage is clearly NOT an HK417 - note 'slot' along receiver & 'pins' where stock joins; looks like an HK G3 variant.2.30.163.44 (talk) 21:19, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

MR556 / MR762
Are these designations true? Here in Germany the civil variants are called MR223 (for .223 Remington) and MR308 (for .308 Winchester). --92.227.141.159 (talk) 02:22, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The designations are correct. Just check the references (5). A bit weird, but it's MR556 (for 5,56 mm) and MR762 (for 7,62 mm) in the USA --0815RN (talk) 17:38, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Magazines
Does anyone know if these are HK proprietary or if it accepts AR10 type magazines? --Joffeloff (talk) 11:45, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Albania ?
Sry but just youtube video as a proof is in my opinion not enough. Everybody can make such videos. --91.89.126.11 (talk) 15:45, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Portugal
The Portuguese Army doesn't use the HK 417, the link only shows some officers and sergeants from BrigRR testing them, that's it. Please delete that information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.23.203.220 (talk) 15:52, 17 June 2011 (UTC)


 * ✅. ⋙–Berean–Hunter—►  ((⊕)) 16:48, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Image added
Got permission from a gentleman who took a photo of the 417 at the 2008 Shot Show, uploaded it to the Commons with appropriate attributions and licensing, removed the "needs image" template here. Anything I'm missing? --Kant Lavar (talk) 16:49, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Brazil Federal Police
Apparently, the Federal Police (Polícia Federal) just bought 200 HK417 rifles, but this is the only source so far (in portuguese): http://www.defesanet.com.br/armas/noticia/6964/PF---200-novos-fuzis-de-assalto-HK-417-sao-distribuidos- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.81.34.157 (talk) 00:00, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Assault Rifle or Battle Rifle?
Heckler and Koch defines the HK 417 as an Assault Rifle. http://www.heckler-koch.com/en/military/products/assault-rifles/hk417/hk417-12/technical-data.html Indeed the vague and poorly defined category of firearm "Battle" rifle is unknown outside of American gun magazines like Soldier Of Fortune, SWAT, etc. No military uses that term, even the US military, as I said on the G3 talk page. The only significant difference between the HK 416 and the HK 417 is the caliber. Some would say that a Battle Rifle is a subcategory of Assault Rifle, that the former is a variant of the latter not distinct from it, but even so "Assault Rifle" is more widely accepted and more clearly defined. Walterego (talk) 02:04, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

The source already on the page categorizes the HK 417 as an Assault Rifle. There is no source on the page for the HK 417 being a "Battle" rifle, that I can find. http://world.guns.ru/assault/de/hk-417-e.html Walterego (talk) 02:09, 20 April 2013 (UTC)


 * All weapons of this type that are chambered for the 7.62x51mm and similar full power cartridges are described as being battle rifles on WP, in all articles. Others might use other definitions, but that's the one that is used here. Thomas.W (talk) 07:21, 20 April 2013 (UTC)


 * What is the foundation of this definition? It is unsourced, and conflicts with the sources on the page. Walterego (talk) 10:33, 20 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia sometimes creates its own standards. As an example the Wikipedia cartridge articles follow a Wikipedia nomenclature that is not used by any of the official ammunition standard organizations. For Wikipedia intermediate chambered automatic rifles are assault rifles and rifles that are chambered for bigger cartridges are not. I am afraid there is no arbitrary scientific standard/definition for what is an assault or a battle rifle. The list of battle rifles and list of assault rifles may shed some light regarding Wikipedias view.--Francis Flinch (talk) 17:52, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * And in the absence of a universally accepted definition the Wikipedia community has over time, in order to avoid constant debate (and a new edit war every time someone has found a webpage somewhere that differs from the current definition on WP), decided on a definition that is based on the cartridge the weapon is chambered for, i.e. weapons chambered for a full power cartridge such as the 7.62x51mm are battle rifles while weapons that are chambered for an intermediate catridge such as the 5.56x45mm or 7.62x39mm are assault rifles. Thomas.W (talk) 18:14, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

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In Popular Culture section
I attempted to add an “In popular culture” section to this page but it was reverted pretty quickly. Multiple other pages on firearms have this so I figured I’d add one. Why was this one removed? HBKUS (talk) 03:25, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Per WP:POPCULTURE. Particularly WP:IPCEXAMPLES (Hohum @ ) 03:30, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Paskal Picture
The last picture in the gallery section, showing the Malaysian Special Forces surely must be a joke. The scope is literally mounted backwards on the rifle. Also, the other guy with the G36 has no sights at all on his rifle. If these really are Special Forces, then they are not worth their money. 89.144.203.247 (talk) 13:41, 17 September 2019 (UTC)