Talk:Heechee Saga

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Should we bother including a fictional alien race in Wikipedia? Does this belong here? Stormwriter — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stormwriter (talk • contribs) 16:14, 14 November 2002‎ (UTC)


 * Hey, we have articles on Star Trek, the Simpsons, Tolkein galore... one more will hardly be noticeable. :) I think this is generally covered by the Wikipedia is not paper policy.  It's non-problematical in other ways, so if space is the only counter-argument, you get to evaluate its relative worth to The Simpsons/Maggie. I sure won't. :) -- April — Preceding unsigned comment added by -- April (talk • contribs) 16:23, 14 November 2002‎ (UTC)

To quote Tarquin on another subject, "Good point, well made." I see where you're coming from. Stormwriter — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stormwriter (talk • contribs) 22:07, 14 November 2002‎ (UTC)


 * And there are moer of those articles... eg. Idiran-Culture War, Culture Orbital. why the hell not, eh? :) -- Sam — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam Francis (talk • contribs) 18:47, 11 December 2002‎ (UTC)

Game
Isn't there a game of "Gateway"? -- Sam — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam Francis (talk • contribs) 18:47, 11 December 2002‎ (UTC)
 * There is adventure game named "Frederik Pohl's Gateway", it was released as freeware some time ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikko Paananen (talk • contribs) 18:05, 11 June 2004‎ (UTC)

The Boy Who Would Live Forever
I'm kind of curious; in the Far Horizons anthology, "The Boy Who Would Live Forever" shows up as a short story/novella. Is the novel mentioned here an expanded version or really the same story? --maru  (talk)  contribs 01:52, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * At least greatly augmented if not refashioned itself.
 * ISFDB catalogs three short fictions ("[SF]") published from May 1999 ("The Boy Who Would Live Forever", novelette) to May 2002 as reprinted or incorporated in The Boy Who Would Live Forever (novel, Oct 2004; "Portions of this novel have been previously published in different form."). See.
 * See also Heechee, which I compiled almost entirely from multiple pages under [ref name=isfdb]:
 * "Heechee – Series Bibliography". ISFDB. Retrieved 2014-12-12. Select a title to see its linked publication history and general information. Select a particular edition (title) for more data at that level, such as a front cover image or linked contents.
 * The book was a finalist for the 2005 Campbell Memorial Award (!) but none of the stories was nominated for any awards in the Locus Index.
 * --P64 (talk) 01:30, 14 December 2014 (UTC)


 * The book The Boy also received a starred review from Kirkus which concludes, "An astonishing eyeful, rich and absorbing, albeit undramatic, leaving scope for at least one more installment: a feast for Gateway travelers." And that provides a contrast so sharp as possible with the reviews of Heechee Rendezvous (negative) and Annals of the Heechee (the worst).
 * --P64 (talk) 23:26, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Series
This is book series article at least as well as a fictional beings article. Thus previous editors put it in as well as. Thus I developed it primarily by adding bibliographic data on the series.
 * P.S. I will add bibliographic data to the three book articles for the trilogy (as German-lang publisher calls it), as well as awards data, and probably reduce some of the bibliog data here.

It is not a book article so the template Infobox book is not appropriate. Consider Infobox book series.

--02:17; P.S. P64 (talk) 02:22, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Heechee may be the Navajo Haashchʼéé
The Heechee appear to resemble the Haashchʼéé in the Navajo creation story, Diné Bahaneʼ. These gods or deities include Haashchʼéé Oołtʼohí, deity of the hunt; Haashchʼééłtiʼí, the Talking God, god of the dawn and the east; and Hashchʼéoghan, the House-God, god of evening and the west. As the Heechee and the Haashchʼéé are both supposed to be races of a long past era, there certainly seems to be a connection.

Yes, there should be a page for this race, just like there should be a page for Vulcans and Klingons. Science Fiction is present-day mythology, and it is important for us to see things like what I pointed out in the paragraph above. Many may not appreciate these connections, but that does not mean that those of us who do appreciate them should not have a page to be able to learn and discuss. I find the page useful, and that means there are silent others who also find it useful. If it is useful to even just a handful of us, why not allow the page to remain?

There really should be a page for the entire Gateway series. Right now the only list appears on the Heechee page, and they are two distinct concepts, a race and a series of books. A year or two ago I tried to create a page for it but it was deleted. Would someone who can start a page without it getting taken down please do so, and I would be happy to provide additional information for the page.

Mseanbrown (talk) 19:10, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

On the rewrite
As I said in the AfD, WP:TNT is needed here. I guess I was wrong - slightly. More than half of the old content (lengthy, unreferenced plot summary) is gone (compare). The publication history has been retained (I believe I suggested it is a fork of such content existing elsewhere). Now, what is badly needed is a section on reception/significance of this series. The article is now describing the series (previously it was misfocused on the fictional race), but we still need to explain to the reader why the series is notable. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 17:00, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Heechee Prayer Fans
I was searching for the SF work that included alien "fans", originally seen as decorative, that come to be understood as data storage which can be read with an appropriately reverse engineered technology; it's "Heechee prayer fans". Surprising that this important concept isn't referenced here; is it worth adding?

See for example https://boards.straightdope.com/t/id-this-sci-fi-book-or-series/958935 https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1980/03/14/gateway-to-a-wonder/14c4da26-b6ec-496c-b0b9-ccc08ba01226/ Aliza250 (talk) 01:41, 14 March 2024 (UTC)