Talk:Heel-toe technique

NPOV Dispute
Just to say a word or two.

The neutrality of the previous article was IMHO a bit disputed. It looked to me as a commercial for www.heeltoetechnique.com, with no explanation of the technique itself.

First issue: the technique is called "a revolutionary new way"? I don't think it is so new and revolutionary, and this sounds like a TV-shopping phrase, a bit exaggerated in my opinion.

Second question: why not include an explanation of the technique? Nobody has a copyright on Heel-Toe Technique, and it is not really so hard to say it in plain english:


 * 1) Hit the pedal with your heel.
 * 2) Then hit the pedal with your toe.
 * 3) Practice makes perfect.

It is, after all, already explained in bass drum.

Grutz 14:51, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Tap dance
Some people claim that it is based off of a tap dancing method — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.69.135.76 (talk) 16:24, 8 November 2006‎

Examples?
Most of the people mentioned on this page are not heel-toe users, for the exception of Tim Waterson. Virgil Donati and Thomas Lang have achieved comeplete control with their feet, and this is not done through the use of heel-toe. Niether Flo Mounier, nor Derek Roddy use the heel-toe. They both use the flat-foot technique to isolate the ankles at higher tempos, and this is done completely with single strokes. The Flat-foot is used to play tempos above 220 or 230 bpm's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.145.39.27 (talk) 14:13, 20 January 2007‎

John Bonham
Is there any proof that John Bonham actually used (let alone pioneered) this technique? Random Composer (talk) 22:55, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

The actual technique
As a drummer who uses the heel-toe technique, I am certain that the heel does not contribute directly to either of the notes. From the way I play it, the first note is played by the toe, the pedal bounces back and hits the toe again on the upstroke (in a similar fashion to a double stroke). The heel comes down on the downstroke, but does not necessarily hit the footboard, thus does not play the first note. Random Composer (talk) 23:03, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Steve Gadd
Steve Gadd should be mentioned. He is the most well known drummer to use this technique, and as far as I know the first person to use it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJmhb7GIgNs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.183.201.177 (talk) 15:39, 25 August 2016 (UTC)