Talk:Heffer Wolfe

Stub?
I'm not sure if this is a surefire stub anymore. I think that only a few more minor improvements are needed to bring Heffer up to Start-class. Lounge with  Dylan620   today!  19:10 UTC October 21, 2008

Cartoon sexuality - JP Dennis
I've started a section about this one reference on the Reliable Sources noticeboard at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Cartoon_Sexuality, any interested parties may want to participate. Judgeking (talk) 22:04, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The consensus seems to be that this section places undue weight on a subject that is a non-issue in the cartoon itself. Judgeking (talk) 00:43, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Where is this consensus? WhisperToMe (talk) 05:16, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay I found it at Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_82 - Let me review this. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:17, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The discussion wasn't in the right place. Whether something is of undue weight or not is an editorial concern, and that is something specific to each article. The RS noticeboard was not the right place for this. That is the consensus of the board. I did see expressions of "this is undue" or "this is not undue" but the board does not answer the question "is this undue" as the board is not the proper venue
 * The proper venue is this talk page (or a project talk page), and an RFC can be filed if there is disagreement.
 * In any case, the discussion needs to be "is this source an undue weight for this specific article" and if so, why?
 * WhisperToMe (talk) 05:20, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Based on this revision (consisting of one sentence with a semicolon about this aspect) I do not believe undue weight is given for this particular article. There are other factors about the character discussed in the same section, and two sentences given do not unduly give attention to this particular aspect.
 * WhisperToMe (talk) 05:22, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

I believe the issue of potential homosexuality should not be readded. It places undue weight on a topic that I believe is a non-issue for most people. Also, the paper the section references contains the opinion of only one man, who, as a gay man himself who writes almost exclusively about gay issues, cannot be objective. Judgeking (talk) 18:13, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The above reply was cross-posted to many articles, without consideration to the article's contents and the particular proposed Dennis revisions. Considering the decision at the RS noticeboard here, a Wikipedian cannot make a blanket statements that a particular source is undue for all articles. It must be determined on an article by article basis. WhisperToMe (talk) 21:29, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * My reply is the same in each article, because the section was almost the same in each article. They all basically go "Dennis thinks this character may be gay. Martin Goodman of Animation World Magazine responded 'That's interesting'". Ridiculous we're even having this debate. (fyi, this current statement is also a blanket statement, as is yours above) Judgeking (talk) 22:21, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * 1."because the section was almost the same in each article" - That is not correct. And plus that response fails to consider that the articles themselves differ a lot. Undue weight is a consideration of the proposed revision and the existing article.
 * 2."They all basically go "Dennis thinks this character may be gay." - The Scooby Doo and Daria stuff don't say that at all. And with other characters there are explanations and qualifications added. The lengths of the latter do differ, with the original Pinky and the Brain revision taking far more space than the Heffer revision, for instance. The amount of space devoted to a subject or an idea within an article is a consideration for whether something is of undue weight.
 * 3."Martin Goodman of Animation World Magazine responded 'That's interesting'"" - To two (Spongebob and Pinky) - He challenged the analysis of some other characters. And even "that's interesting" adds weight to warranting inclusion of the Dennis stuff.
 * WhisperToMe (talk) 22:27, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Please see Fringe_theories/Noticeboard WhisperToMe (talk) 02:48, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

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