Talk:Heidi Klum/Archive 1

West German
Should wiki put her born in west german. Its gone but profiles like for Russia ballers have there Place of birth in USSR and not russia?

I changed to the Federal Republic of Germany as that was the case when she was born. West Germany was not the official name of the FRG. Norum (talk) 10:50, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

fornicuous?
 * see discussion on my and Klum's talkpages. Before it was "fornicuous", it was "adulterous". The entry has been reverted multiple times by different users, but I am not interested in an edit war. IMHO the word is not appropiate. Maybe the discussion should be continued here. --Chrysalis 21:06, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Could someone add a picture back in that's cited. If any article deserves a picture it's this one! User:Andman8

Maybe I'd consider to add some informations bout Heidi Klum's new German TV show Germany's next Topmodel.--Martin L. King 19:52, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * "Oh dear lord!" *falls on the floor from heart attack* - Damien Vryce

Images
I notice all of the images that were here have been removed in one edit. Much as I agree that there were too many images, just one of a model is - pointless! So I have added one back - OK, yes, my favourite of the three removed. The article is not long enough at present to really show any more well. Rgds, - Trident13 11:08, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

This article needs way more pictures.

How about the image on the Evander Holyfield page for starters? - Ecksem Diem 17:36, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Salary
Salary stated as 7 million. Would that be rubles, rupees, or riyals? Then again, it could be euros, after all, she is German. Arcturus 21:48, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Why couldn't it be dollars?
 * Please sign your posts with four tildes. Stovetopcookies 19:13, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Who was the muppet who made the rude statement about Heidi the other day, which has since been removed from her wikipedia page and rightfully so. Noone deserves to have some random statement, be it true or not, on their bio page like that. JimB

Remove the Ku Klux Klan comment, it is true

Biography assessment rating comment
The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Edofedinburgh 02:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Beauty?
"Klum is known for being the most beautiful woman of all time according to one beauty specialist, Louis Ahearne, and her husband Seal."

That seems like a pretty opinionated statement to me. Are we really going to say someone's husband thinks they're the most beautiful woman in the world? Maybe if Time Magazine had a big contest or something, but I don't think we need that comment there. "Louis Ahearne" appears to be a nobody as well since that name doesn't appear in any Google searches except for this page. Who cares what he thinks? Sbrobin 14:10, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Naturally "hazel" ? That's a mixture of green and brown, maybe auburn, or brown? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.189.135.87 (talk) 04:39, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

it's a funny statement though .. you wiki rules cop types need to take it easier ... (ps - of course it's 'opinionated' because it's an opinion, maybe the word you're looking for is 'biased') —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.56.86.35 (talk) 18:55, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Measurements
http://www.poster.net/klum-heidi/klum-heidi-photo-heidi-klum-6227243.jpg

It's clear after or even before her two kids that Klum is nowhere near a24 inch waist, 29 or 30 inches is closer to reality. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Catherine Huebscher (talk • contribs) 18:46, 31 March 2007 (UTC).


 * Hi.
 * www.fashionmodeldirectory.com 34-24-34
 * www.dmanagementgroup.com 34-24-34
 * www.imgmodels.com 34-24-34
 * If you have a reference for your version of her measurements, that's great! Otherwise please stop changing it due to your own body image issues. --Hopex 18:32, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

http://cynics.info/backlogs/media/20051110heidiklum.jpg http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Original_Photo/2005/12/01/1133463212_2705.jpg http://www.abc.net.au/news/features/img/Entertainmentblog/2005/november/20051110vic3.jpg You call that a 24 inch waist? There's your reference! Oh please! No body issues with me because i have a hip to waist ratio unlike Hed/Elite. wikipedia is about reality not marketing--this is a thick waist and we should not be misleading the public and young girls about these fake stats.

HERE IS A 24 INCH WAIST --please face the truth:

http://ils.unc.edu/dpr/path/pinups/bettybrosmer.jpg Catherine Huebscher (talk • contribs) 18:46, 4 May 2007 (UTC).


 * Ok first off, looking through some of your contributions it's clear that you have some kind of vested interest in this topic, so I genuinely hope you can work through the issues you have. If there's someone you can talk to, that's always a good start.
 * Next, I'm not all that fussed about the policies, but since you seem to be concerned with what "wikipedia is about" and "the truth", you should check WP:V, which I think you've been shown before. (In fact there's a link to that page under the Edit window.)
 * You first changed it to 29"/65cm, you then claimed it was 29" or 30". You then changed it to 29"/66cm, and then finally to 28"/71cm. The final figures being the only ones that are actually congruent. The point being that you simply cannot guess the measurement; just one person alone has come up with at least three different numbers!
 * Like I said before, if you can find reference that gives her recent measurement being different to the 24" that all the sites state, then great. Otherwise, revert your edit. --Hopex 17:34, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Of course i have a vested interest in not falsifying these models stats because it creates an unrealistic precedent that is based on lies, That's enough without my own personal preference. If she had a club foot and her modeling agency said she did not would we still have to go with a ridiculously biased source? Why? I want a dispute about her post baby measurements added to this article if you end up going with the bogus model agency 'numbers.'Catherine Huebscher (talk • contribs) 3:06, % May 2007 (UTC).


 * Just to note, the first two pictures Catherine Huebscher posted were taken at the Victoria's Secret fashion show something like 9 days after she gave birth to her second child. 70.53.1.20 01:39, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

BMI of 17.7??!
If she is 5'9 and 120 she is pretty badly underweight and has a BMI of 17.7 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.97.171.219 (talk) 22:37, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Place of birth
WHY does it say she was born in Australia in the article and then in the infobox that she was born in a certain town in Germany? Embarrassing! Sort it out, please. Moncrief (talk) 16:59, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

NOT a Supermodel
In her modeling days, Klum was basically a bikini and underwear model. She never rose above that status, and only became famous because of her work in SI, which was only more bikini work and (painted) nudes. So she was never a Supermodel, and most of her fame is now due to her TV work as the host of the mildly popular Project Runway and her willingness to pose for the paparazzi. If you want to label Klum something, I think "Celebutante" is the correct word. In terms of pure modeling work, Paris Hilton has as much right to be called a "Supermodel" as Klum.Bogan444 (talk) 00:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Whether someone is or isn't a supermodel is a matter of opinion - and yours appears to be rather biased, Bogan444 - which is why the term isn't used in model articles here on Wikipedia (it's not up to us to assess careers in such a way). I'm just writing this to let any editors who read this know that not using the term has nothing to do with arguments like the one above.    Mbinebri   talk &larr; 15:36, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Seeing as Klum was a Victoria's Secret Angel, which is one of the highest paying modeling jobs, I would say she is much more a supermodel than Paris Hilton, Bogan. And Klum is NOT a celebutante. Tarheelz123 (talk) 03:03, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I believe a link to this article about Heidi Klum should be added to her Wiki page: http://daily.chictoday.com/2008/09/25/inside-the-emmys/

Publisher is: Spotlight TM, Walking the Walk on Chic Today. Article Author: Adrienne Papp --Cherylebernard (talk) 18:12, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

on the poor butcher lawsuit
I corrected and trimmed the paragraph on the lawsuit to more accurately reflect what actually happened. Basically, Klum's lawyers sent the guy an "Admonishment" (Abmahnung), which is a legal instrument in certain areas of German law. It is a self generated but nonetheless legally valid injunction that an aggrieved party (e.g rights holder) can send those who violate their rights. The recipient can then either submit to and sign the admionishment (which also forces him to pay the legal fees associated to it) or contest it in court. He does *not* have the option to just ignore it. Those admonishments are an instrument of German law that are quite common in trade, intellectual property and competition law, and are originally meant as an unexpensive means to settle obvious issues between businesses without involving a court. What is unpopular is that, when directed against private persons, the legal costs become the main issue, which has become a major problem in recent years. Klum never really sued the man for the 142000€ claimed in the DailyMail article - that sume was only claimed by her lawyers as the "value at issue" to calculate court costs and lawyer's fees. She technically sued for an injunction. Wefa (talk) 03:53, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

POLA: OMG, she's not a supermodel!
I find it astounding that she's everything in the showbiz world except what she's really famous for.... Renaissongsman 12:02, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Not true, she is extremely famous for being a Victoria's Secret Angel, which is one of the highest modeling jobs and she's had it since 1999. Tarheelz123 (talk) 21:26, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Kali costume issues - discussion
I have removed the following contend to the talk page to avoid the edit war until the WP:BLP issues regarding WP:V and WP:NPOV can be resolved. -- The Red Pen of Doom  02:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

content as of 02:06, 21 July 2009
In 2008, Klum dressed as the Hindu goddess Kālī for a Halloween party. She was not aware that goddess Kali killed only the unjust, and not just anyone. In Hindu religion, goddess Kali is considered one of the first feminist goddess ideas as she fought over injustices done to women. Klum's act upset many Hindus all around the world, which has resulted in a declared boycott.

discussion
I'll expand on the reasoning for removing this material, here

Before I took this step, I considered The Times source. According to Wikipedia, The Times (South Africa) is delivered free, and only purchased in limited quantities. It is reporting on a one-time event at party in New York, New York. The article stretches to give credible references, quoting "a Randburg woman", "a Nevada-based Hindu priest, Rajan Zed", and "The president of the South African Hindu Maha Sabha, Ashwin Trikamjee". The article is replete with uncited WP:PEACOCK language "caused a worldwide stir", "slammed Klum's choice", "has received tremendous support", "More and more non-Hindus appear to flagrantly undermine Hindu beliefs".

Someone has initiated an email campaign. This, in itself, means almost nothing. A president of an academy in South Africa urged a boycott. So? Was there a boycott?

This source is political rabble-rousing. It doesn't name any response to the Klum event that seems newsworthy, let alone one that has encyclopedic worth.

Another source (at the time of my edit) was a brief article on a music Web site (?), also quotes Rajan Zed, calling him an "Indo-American statesman". (What does that mean?) Fanning the flames, the article reads "Zed is not alone in his outrage". Zed doesn't say he's outraged, the quote sounds as though he's making a modest statement.

(The Times of India article now returns "Page not found".)

Along the way to Wikipedia, it seems as though writers are adding their own spin, to make them sound as dramatic as possible.

The resulting Wiki article, reads "Hindus all around the world", which could mean five. And a boycott -- if one ever happened -- might equally mean no more than five people. Especially given that Klum apparently meant no harm, but is interested in Indian culture, the mention in Wikipedia seems like nothing more than a failed publicity attempt. Piano non troppo (talk) 10:41, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Now, it starts getting interesting with the third remaining link, the one from South Africa: Here again, we find the same exact Rajan Zed quote, this time accredited to The National Ledger. So who did actually provide the original quote? What about the other things in the South African article? Is this based on some real research, or simply using other sources? Then, the author's last name is Naidoo. And this Naidoo is citing another guy named Naidoo (who obviously is the "president of the Indian Academy of South Africa"). A coincidence? Probably. But how should we know? Finally, the sources do not really back what is said in the text proposal. For example "... upset many Hindus all around the world." This claim is not supported by the cited source, contactmusic. Therefore, it is unacceptable per WP:BLP. Then the claim "... which has resulted in a declared boycott." Again, I find nothing in the cited source, the South African Times article, that would support this claim. To sum it up: The text that was reintroduced by some IPs for several times, is not in accordance with our rules. I think this whole matter could at best be dealt with in one simple sentence. Like: "For a 2008 Halloween party, Klum dressed as Hindu goddess Kali, which was critisized by Hindu spokespeople, among them Rajan Zed." Of course, this doesn't solve the pending question regarding the credibility of the cited sources. Thus, I could live with the idea of leaving out that whole incident and the respective "outrage". In my judgment, we're confronted with a part of that current culture of "outrage". That is, when otherwise irrelevant faults committed by superficial celebrities get blown out of proportion by people trying to have their share of 15 minute celebrity status. This article is about Klum, and not about people commenting on what Klum might have done in the light of their religious feelings. And certainly not about Hindu goddesses, and about what they mean to the faithful. --Catgut (talk) 11:09, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Right, well said. Regarding the cited sources, the contactmusic article is cited by the Entertainment&Showbiz article (the Rajan Zed quote). But who actually wrote the contactmusic article? And is it a reliable source?
 * relevant portion of the IP user's response, transported here from |a users talk page -- The Red Pen of Doom  00:59, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Now the real topic. I have three more links to satisfy you. You still keep deleting the text. Of course I left the links I initially had in the text in there. Point out a problem, if you have any, with them. You seriously think that her becoming a naturalized citizen is a big deal. However, her disrespecting another religion is not important. Let me ask you--would you react in the same way if Heidi Klum dressed as mother Mary and drank alcohol and danced in a club all night. As reported in one of the citations, when Heidi heard Nelly's song "hot in here" she said "I want to take my arms off." Did you know that is very symbolic for goddess Kali. It is similar to Heidi getting up on the stage dressed as Mother Mary and saying "I am tired of being a virgin."
 * To fascinate you even further, I have added even more links. One of the links shows a rather small, but important, news where multinational company Bayer's CEO apologized for disrespecting Goddess Kali.

Response to comments above and why I am reverting these changes: Let me clarify couple of things here. First, if there is a controversy about Hindu religion, any person in their right mind would not expect that to be reported in New York Times. It would be reported in newspapers that are read predominantly by Hindu readers. Second, I am not sure if you would do a smart think by discounting the news report from the newspaper The Times of India. I am not sure about the statistics now, but couple of years ago, it was the most widely circulated newspaper in the world. Third, someone made a comment about some of the newspapers that reported this as free. How does that change the fact? In fact, if you go to any Hindu or a Sikh temple (did you know Sikhism is also a religion?), most of the newspapers are free. Goal of these newspapers is not to spread news, but to make sure they are sharing news all around the world. Moreover, most of these newspapers are supported by grants and charities. Fourth, many issues were raised for the reliability of the sources. One of the most, if not the most, widely cited newspaper in the world reported this, I am not sure why the validity of these sources is being questioned. Also, multiple sources add detail, and add more details about one single event that happened. Finally, I do agree that this article is about Klum. Then shouldn't we post material about the decisions she made and/or cheap publicity stunts she has tried in her life. If we have space to post that she became a naturalized citizen, I am sure we would not be terribly sorry to devote couple of lines to show her sense of judgment. In fact, wiki is a source of knowledge for almost everyone around the world. Considering that news about Hindu religion would not be published in New York Times, wiki should be a source of information about the respect that a celebrity really has for other religions. Finally, I asked this question from another user here--would you have reacted the same way had Heidi dressed like Mother Mary, drank alochol, dressed in club, and shouted "I am tired of being a virgin." If a religion is segregated in a particular section of the world does not mean it is irrelevant. Wiki is a GLOBAL source of knowledge and is not regional. 72.204.51.40 (talk) 01:20, 24 July 2009 (UTC) by 72.204.51.40 (at least for now).

Article title
As per the guidelines on Naming conventions (people), this article should remain named as "Heidi Klum" until she officially announces whether she will use her now-official name, Heidi Samuel, professionally or to continue using "Klum" as her stage name. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (talk) 06:10, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Heidi = Adelheid?
The name Heidi is usually just a shortened form or pet form of the name "Adelheid." It says that she was born Heidi Samuels, but is it known whether Adelheid is her actual given name or not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Versailles1798 (talk • contribs) 05:22, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 14:56, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Mentioning the following article
Heidi and Seal have had a lot of racist remarks made it against them over the internet, most seem to derive from a sense of jealousy of the success of black and white couple. I was going to mention this article, are there any objections? http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/s72/project-runway/news/a313584/heidi-klum-seal-and-i-value-our-marriage.html?rss  ₭₦→   [|Wanna talk?] 17:40, 18 April 2011 (UTC)  —   ₭₦→   talk • contribs 17:51, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Untitled
In the article it's stated that she works for a "charity 5k" project. What is this "5k"? Typo? The article in a law about tax deductible charity? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.192.45.97 (talk) 05:27, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Heidi filing for divorce from Seal
According to The Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/21/heidi-klum-divorce-seal_n_1220619.html), which cites TMZ (http://www.tmz.com/2012/01/21/heidi-klum-divorce-seal/#.Txro3G_mn4t). Wthwiki (talk) 16:43, 21 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Well you know what they say, once you go black...
 * You're a single mother. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.150.231.246 (talk) 10:05, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Content inappropriate or needs context
There is a passage:

'' In fact, some noted fashion designers have long been commenting on Klum's limited role as a fashion model. Karl Lagerfeld, for example, in 2009 agreed with German designer Wolfgang Joop, who called Klum after she had posed naked on the cover of the German edition of GQ magazine,[27] "no runway model. She is simply too heavy and has too big a bust".[28] Lagerfeld observed that neither he nor Claudia Schiffer knew Klum, as she has never worked in Paris and was insignificant in the world of fashion, being "more bling bling and glamorous than current fashion."[29]''

Which may be true enough but I wonder if it's appropriate as it just appears randomly without context. Frankly it seems unnecessarily mean spirited and could be called the editor's own OR unless we can provide a reference that there is some controversy that she is claimed to be a runway model. I'm not objecting to it entirely but if it needs to be there it needs its own section or a smoother transition, as it sits it just looks like a mean comment to discredit her randomly inserted. Just fishing for comments on it before I tinker with it.Batvette (talk) 22:50, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Height
Info box has her height listed as 5'12... wouldnt 6' be better?97.85.211.124 (talk) 03:08, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Heidi Klum is German,
and she will ever be German, because of her descent and ethnicity. If Kirsten Dunst is called an "American actress", and not a "German-American actress" (she is of both citizenships), than Heidi Klum ist still a German modell and actress. Same rules for everybody. 89.204.136.52 (talk) 22:57, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Go complain at the Kirsten Dunst talk page if you feel that article is not applying the guideline correctly. That article has nothing to do with the fact that Klum – by her own choice, it may be noted – is both German and American, a fact already made clear in the first paragraph. Fat&#38;Happy (talk) 23:13, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * That's interesting, when one defines what American ethnicity might be perhaps Americans will see how these rules apply to them.Batvette (talk) 01:16, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

More info about Heidi Klum
•Weight Estimation: 120lbs (54.5 kg) •Height: 5’9″ (175 cm) Measurements (estimated) 34-24-34 •Rumored Size of Bra and brief: 34C

Famous Quotes By Heidi Klum •“I never went to a modeling school, and I don’t suggest to anybody that they go to a modeling school.” (Sponsers' apple polishing is better) •“For me, my business is my business and my house is my house. I don’t want the public in my house.” (but TV crews and cameras even at her bedroom and bath tube.) .“But all the money in the world cannot make you happy either, so there has to be a balance.” ( No comment)

Her confession: Appearance on TV show " I Got that a lot"

Made in Germany Used frequently in the US — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.117.185.114 (talk) 05:15, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Heidi's father
It's stated that her father (Günther Klum) was "a cosmetics-company executive". Bear with me, but isn't that a over-exaggeration of the correct position he was holding? As in the German Wikipedia article it is mentioned that he was a skilled chemistry worker (am not 100 % sure about the correct translation with "Chemie") and a former production manager. Also, this German article suggests too that he was a production worker at 4711 (which is as you may know an Eau de Cologne company): http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-84162333.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.13.238.151 (talk) 21:16, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * the "executive" is probably referring to his current position. thanks for the source for the parents. since I dont trust my German or the google translate, we will just omit occupations for now. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  21:31, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Tweeting Trump
Tonight on "America's Got Talent" TV, Heidi Klum gives a wink when she assigns a '10' to a group. Later, she leaves the judges table to the stage and gives a peck on the cheek to the MC after he says, "Take that, Donald Trump; she is definitely a ten." (1) Trump tweeted she was no longer a ten (for some reason) and (2) she is said to have bested Trump in her reply tweek. (3) then tonight; and (4) what will Trump say, as they promote themselves, good for both. -- AstroU (talk) 04:00, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

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She was not only later a guest at Thomas Gottschalk but was coincidentally discovered by him personally out of the audience, while that contest had been part of his Late Night Show. They even made that anecdote a big issue (with her being present) when he hosted his last Wetten, dass..? show in Mallorca in 2011. --SamWinchester000 (talk) 10:02, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

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The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion: Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 21:29, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Heidi Klum4crop.jpg

last name
she told in her last instagram story that her last name is not klum, it is kaulitz Lisa Schaller (talk) 16:48, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 October 2023
German Model as she has no american parents 86.6.81.69 (talk) 13:44, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
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