Talk:Heights of presidents and presidential candidates of the United States/Archive 2

Trump's height redux
The very citation given for Trump's height does not support its own claim that he's 6'0.5" tall. It says 1) he claimed to be 6'3". 2) His doctor said he is 6'3". 3) His driver license says he is 6'2". Yet the "celebheights" website somehow gets that he's 6'0.5" from that. The only other evidence is showing a picture of him standing next to an athlete who is supposedly 6'2". In other words, the claim in this article is just not supported by the citation, which cites several sources for his height but then inexplicably lists a seemingly random, shorter height.

I put 6'3" because as someone who has watched many hours of footage of President Trump, it seems more likely to be the correct measurement, but 6'2" would also be acceptable. According to the actual sources within the linked citation (his own claim, his doctor's statement, and his driver license), it should be one or the other: 6'3" or 6'2". This whole article is a bit pointless, but since it does exist it should attempt to be accurate, and not simply further attempt to belittle the president with petty fabrications and distortions regarding his physical stature. Justanothereditor98027 (talk) 09:38, 31 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Can we just say that it is 6'2" or 6'3" since there is dispute about it? Squandermania (talk) 15:15, 11 February 2017 (UTC)


 * There's no way he is still 6'3" at his age. Maybe in the past, but the 6'2" Trudeau appeared taller than him when they met, and he appeared to be the same height as Obama, whose medical records show 6'1", at the inauguration. With the driver's license/medical records being contradictory, Trump's height is clearly going to be a bit messy. But I definitely think 6'3" is an unbelievable claim. Nohomersryan (talk) 02:08, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * There is no source for the 6'0.5" claim so I do not know why it is continually being reinserted. I just finished placing in an explanation of the conflicting accounts and supplied visual evidence of a lesser height than Mark Sanchez (verified by NFL as 6'2") and the same height as Barack Obama so that would make him 6'1". I again supplied visual evidence. The person who keeps reinserting the 6'0.5" figure would need to justify it somehow with a source or explanation. I tried cleaning up some of the footnotes too but as said person keeps changing things without justification, I'll drop it for now. AnthonyTF (talk) 02:39, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

The point is, the only actual sourced *evidence* for President Trump's height are 1) his doctor's statement (6'3") and 2) his driver license (6'2"). President Trump's own claim is 6'3", which matches his doctor's statement.

However, there is *no* evidence that he is either 6'1" or 6'0.5", except for people looking at pictures of him standing next to various other people, and then assuming President Trump's height based on the other person's supposed height and how much taller or shorter they "seem."

I didn't want to get this deeply involved, but aside from the documented evidence I mentioned above, it's simply obvious to anyone who has watched a lot of video of Trump, that he is an unusually tall man. He's a good deal taller than most people he stands next to. But since this painfully obvious fact is being challenged, I will provide some of my own comparative "visual evidence" showing that Trump is most definitely *at least* 6'2", as his driver license (an official government document) states.

Exhibit A: Donald Trump standing next to Hulk Hogan (Terry Bollea): http://mynewsla.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Hulk-Trump.jpg

Here we see Trump in his prime (circa 1980s) standing next to Hogan, an exceptionally tall individual. Hogan was billed in the ring at 6'8". Wrestling heights are usually a bit exaggerated, by an inch or two. We can safely assume that Hogan was a solid 6'6" or 6'7" at the time of this photo. As you can plainly see, Trump is not that much shorter than Hogan. This would lend support to the claim that Trump was 6'3" at least in his younger days.

Exhibit B: Trump standing next to both Hogan and Andre the Giant: http://mynewsla.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Hogan-Trump2.jpg

Here again we see Trump circa 1980s with two abnormally tall individuals, one of whom (Andre) actually had a medical condition called gigantism and kept growing throughout his life. Andre the Giant (Andre Roussimoff) was billed during his wrestling career at a height of *7'4"*. Thus we can safely assume he was at least 7'2" or so. Even if you are skeptical of that number, subtract 4 inches if you wish, and he was still 7'0" tall. Then compare and notice that the top of Trump's head is at about Andre's chin level. Now, you can claim he was standing on a box, or whatever you want, but the point I'm trying to make here, and it should be obvious, is this: Donald Trump is a very tall man. Period.

Here are several more angles of the same photo shoot: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--Air2jfRcuI/VcLVFXzAxkI/AAAAAAAADPo/WMV0OG1n-EA/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2015-08-05%2Bat%2B11.31.04%2BPM.png

http://img.wennermedia.com/social/hulk-hogan-6fdc6727-ef3e-4ab2-bc21-bd01e800bda7.jpg

http://static7.imagecollect.com/preview/560/2e033474505a438

http://rs206.pbsrc.com/albums/bb213/goliath777/Andre%20the%20Giant/hogantrumpandre.jpg~c200

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/600x315/1e/64/4a/1e644a2b57916f89926aa327404f6a92.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/f1/50/4e/f1504ebcbb6d9de722fa011ea55ee81c.jpg

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/during-a-wrestlemania-event-at-the-trump-plaza-american-businessman-picture-id519116488

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/during-a-wrestlemania-event-at-the-trump-plaza-american-businessman-picture-id519116474

Exhibit C: Trump with "The Million Dollar Man" Ted DiBiase and Virgil (Mike Jones):

http://thesportbuzz.t2b.click/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/18115427/Trump.jpg

DiBiase was billed at 6'3", and Virgil at 5'11". Notice that it seems that Virgil is intentionally and comically standing on tip toe with his head back, to try and appear taller than Trump.

Exhibit D: Continuing on with Trump's long history and interactions with WWF/WWE wrestlers, here he is at WrestleMania 23 in 2007 with Stone Cold Steve Austin (billed 6'2"), Vince McMahon (billed 6'2"), and Bobby Lashley (billed 6'3"):

https://i2.wp.com/www.powyeah.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/donald-trump-wwe.jpg?resize=615%2C300

http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/4e615367b3a4287bc312ce70f30eb52d?width=650

http://elprincipalnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/OTBmMThlYTg4NCMvUlgyNzVFeVd5U3RRVU93VUY3QmlGcG1wd1pRPS81Nng0ODozNDQ4eDE5NjUvMTI4MHg2MjAvZmlsdGVyczpxdWFsaXR5KDc1KS9odHRwczovL3MzLmFtYXpvbmF3cy5jb20vcG9saWN5bWljLWltYWdlcy92bXNvY3Jvd2V0cDU0cjQxZH-1024x496.jpg

http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/wrestlemania-23-donald-trump-vince-mcmahon-battle-of-billionaires-670x433.jpg

http://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.10049125.1478700314!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/display_960/image.jpg

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/177/985/trump_mr_mcmahon_hof_crop_north.jpg?w=543&h=361&q=75

http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/wwe-rumors-donald-trump-wrestlemania-33-appearance-odds-670x428.jpg

http://www.wrestlezone.com/assets/uploads/2016/02/steve-austin-vince-mcmahon-donald-trump.jpg

https://lonestarpolitics.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/battlebillionairesannouncedetailswrestlemaniamqi3fr0xi1sl.jpg

http://images.en.yibada.com/data/thumbs/full/136599/685/0/0/0/president-elect-donald-trump-and-wwe-chairman-vince-mcmahon-attends-a-press-conference-in-green-bay-wisconsin-back-in-2009.jpg

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/donald-trump-steve-austin-and-vince-mcmahon-during-donald-trump-and-picture-id115430033

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/steve-austin-shakes-hands-with-donald-trump-during-donald-trump-and-picture-id115430069?s=594x594

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/003/633/033/hi-res-adb5ec5ce649bedb7a531cf819e7803d_crop_north.jpg?h=533&w=800&q=70&crop_x=center&crop_y=top

Exhibit E: Trump with pro wrestler and later Governor Jesse The Body Ventura (billed 6'4"). Pictures at podium are circa 2000:

http://www.wwe.com/f/video/thumb/2013/02/20040314_trump_jesse.jpg

http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150812150248-jesse-ventura-donald-trump-exlarge-169.jpg

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2323380.1439404783!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/trump-2000.jpg

Exhibit F: Trump at around the same time period (1980s or maybe early 90s) with NFL football player O.J. Simpson, whose height is listed on Wikipedia as 6'1". Trump is slightly but noticeably taller than Simpson in these shots:

http://static7.imagecollect.com/preview/560/29e7088c56b3940

http://66.media.tumblr.com/4dca9e75bb6000b569719afcdc57ff4e/tumblr_o0m3znGswi1uzcw2qo1_500.jpg

http://thoughtsonthedead.com/wp-content/uploads/oj-donald-trump-keith-hernandez.jpg

http://static1.imagecollect.com/preview/560/0bb5b6b4807f307

Exhibit G: Trump with NBA basketball player Dennis Rodman (listed here at 6'7"):

http://www.bizpacreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Dennis-Rodman-Donald-Trump.jpg

http://as01.epimg.net/baloncesto/imagenes/2016/01/17/nba/1453031126_743769_1453031699_noticia_normal.jpg

This one has the advantage of being a full body shot, and shows plain as day how tall Trump is standing next to an NBA player, and how small the height differential is, relative to the general population:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Trump_and_Rodman_2009.jpg

I seriously could go on, and on, and on. But I think I have supplied more evidence than even the Trump-hating shills here could possibly demand, to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that President Trump is *not* 6'0.5", and *not* 6'1". In his youth he was definitely at least 6'3", and he is still definitely at least 6'2". Both of these numbers are supported by actual documented evidence, namely 1) his doctor's report (6'3") and 2) his driver license (6'2").

If, after all of this effort of mine to prove definitively that the current height listing is incorrect, the article is *still* not corrected, then it's simply further proof how ludicrously biased and non-neutral Wikipedia has truly become.

Bottom line: I'm changing it back to 6'2" as a compromise, as the shorter of two *documented* heights on record for Donald Trump. I have given more than sufficient photo comparative visual evidence, including him not being dwarfed by *Andre the Giant*.

Don't change it back to 6'0.5", 6'1" or any other ridiculous nonsense. Thanks. Justanothereditor98027 (talk) 06:13, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * "Back in 1968, at the age of 22, Donald J. Trump seemed the picture of health. ... He stood 6 feet 2 inches with an athletic build ..." His draft registration card, from 1964, reproduced on the same page, shows his height at the age of 18 as 6'2".  Men (women too) typically lose height as they age due to spinal compression and loss of posture; it's unreasonable to suggest he gained an inch of height after the age of 22.  In the absence of a citation (versus all the extrapolation and original research engaged in above) that reflects his current height based on current measurements, this supports his height as being recorded here as (no more than) 6'2", and certainly not 6'3".   General Ization   Talk   18:23, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * As I said repeatedly, I am perfectly fine with leaving it at 6'2" as a compromise, even though I believe based on documented evidence, sources, and having functioning eyes, that President Trump is probably still 6'3" *at least*.


 * The only reason I engaged in lengthy "original research" is because such informal "visual evidence" photo height comparisons were the *only* evidence given for continually reverting his height back to 6'1" or even 6'0.5". There are *no* primary source citations anywhere that list those numbers, and they are plainly false to anyone who takes a minute to look at him, instead of just trying to keep him off the top part of a list because they hate him.


 * I will simply note for the record that your cited NY Times article does *not* cite where it gets the figure of 6'2". I have provided the *citation* of his doctor's statement over and over, but if that is considered insufficient, so be it.


 * Regardless, the only other *citation* from a primary source is his driver license, which states that he is 6'2". I have no problem with leaving that as the listed height here, but not any ridiculous number below that, as people have kept reverting back to. Thanks. Justanothereditor98027 (talk) 19:37, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * The New York Times article doesn't state a specific basis for asserting that Trump was 6'2" in 1968 (nor does it need to to be regarded as reliable), but it includes a primary document that establishes that height for him at the age of 18 in 1964. Combined with the driver's license, there is more than enough reason to regard that number as reliable.  As for his doctor's statement, there is more than enough reason to regard anything Harold Bornstein says as unreliable.  By the way, please review WP:INDENT, which makes life much easier for everyone here.  General Ization   Talk   19:48, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I have also warned, at least one of the editors insisting on changing Trump's height to 6'1/2" (and who did so again this morning), that this defies the current consensus and that if they continue to do so and to replace a reliable source with an unreliable one it will be treated as disruptive editing.  General Ization  Talk   17:00, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * And having gotten nowhere in trying to discuss on their Talk page, and the editor having engaged in a round of edit warring to restore the 6'1/2" figure, have now reported them at WP:AN3. Unfortunately, I'm at 3RR so have had to leave their most recent edit for someone else to revert. (ping:)  General Ization   Talk   21:04, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Quick question to the various editors here: Is this not a page about the height of presidents — that is, the condition and height of individuals upon entering the office of presidency? (That is, as opposed to their height prior to entering office when they were not president). AnthonyTF (talk) 18:15, 17 February 2017 (UTC)


 * The article is not specific as to the timeframe of measurement, nor generally are sources of information on heights of presidents and presidential candidates so specific as to when the person's height was determined. Obviously, the heights are expected to refer to the person's height as an adult. If there were one or more reliable sources that provided a height close to the time of their election to (or loss of) the presidency, such a source would obviously be preferred over one from some other period of that person's life. Unfortunately, no such reliable source is known to exist for Trump, and there is no federal requirement that the height of presidents be measured, much less published, just before or shortly after they take office.   General Ization   Talk   16:44, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Except that there are clear pictures where he is the SAME HEIGHT AS OBAMA, and Obama is 6'1." So what are you even talking about?

And, driver's licenses are based on what people self-report. So it doesn't count as a good source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.52.165.242 (talk) 19:54, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Old discussion
It's completely disingenuous to claim Donald Trump's height is 6'3" and have a picture of him looking at most the same height as Barack Obama and makes the entire article dubious. Donald Trump is 6'1"   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.252.131.154 (talk) 00:24, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

No offense intended, but the information on this seems to be vastly incorrect. For one thing, I know for sure that John Quincy Adams was about 5'2. Can you show a source? Rhymeless 06:30, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

No offense taken as I am certainly not any kind of serious scholar, but a search on "shortest president" suggests that many believe Madison was the shortest at 5'4", so if you know something that is contrary to popular belief, please document it if only for my benefit.
 * It appears that you're entirely right. I could have sworn that I had a book that said otherwise, purchased as a souvenir at the white house when I went there (long gone now) but everywhere on the web seems refute this. Sorry to bother you. (quite embarrassed now) Rhymeless 06:56, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Quite all right; I'm in no position to judge. :)

''There are lots of errors on this page. GWB is 6'0" and there's no way Kerry is taller than 6'3". Others are suspicious. Teddygoff 06:55, 3 February 2006 (UTC)''

He seems to have been removed from the list completely. Many people would argue that it doesn't really matter but there is no objective way you can say he is 6'0". He wears lifts and boots an awful lot and is in around 5'10''. --194.125.112.57 16:31, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Additionally, James Polk was no taller than 5'9", NOT the 6'12" listed (That's 7 feet for you in Rio Linda).

Further, Theodore Roosevelt was an even 5'10". Compare photos of him next to McKinley or Taft. At a minimum, refer to the listing for Theodore Roosevelt in The Peoples' Almanac by Wallachinsky and Medved from ca. 1976.

Biased page
So I found out on Google that Herbert Hoover, William Taft, and George W. Bush are 6'0'. But in the article list, it says the 3 presidents are 5'11 1/2. Ps, Chester Arthur is 6'0' according to Google, but according to Wikipedia, it is 6'2'. Dwight according to google is 5'10' but not 5'10' 1/2 Todd (talk) 02:35, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Many of the heights listed here are inaccurate.
John Kerry, is about 6 ft 4 ins. This article suggests he is 6 ft 6 and 3/4 inches tall (taller than Michael Jordan) which is blatantly false.

President George W Bush is not 5 ft 9 1/2 as this article says.G W is infact about 6 ft tall (His National Guard Records list him at 5'11).

Who ever updated the height index as of feb 4, 2006, thankyou for correcting them.

The list contradicted many of the heights found on the presidential height list page, and since that page seemed to jibe better with most other outside sources, I updated this page to match it, or at least the parts I noticed, anyway. -Alex68.110.114.40 05:50, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't the 1912 section include Taft? At 6'0" he was taller than Wilson, so in 1912 the tallest candidate actually didn't win. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.121.86.46 (talk) 02:38, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's just between the two candidates with the most votes, so the taller candidate did win in 1912, since the next best result was Roosevelt's. Wcp07 (talk) 06:18, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Additionally, it should be updated. President Donald Trump is 6'3 equaling the height of President Abraham Lincoln. Rollingwiththepunches (talk) 21:16, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Lincoln was 6'4 עם ישראל חי (talk) 22:04, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

I can't believe you idiots actually believe that Trump is 6'3". There's a picture on this very page of Obama standing next to Trump. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4878:8000:50:DA9E:F3FF:FE2A:2191 (talk) 14:49, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Trump's height
How tall is Trump? The article says 6'3" but the source given lists him as 6'0½" currently and 6'2" in his prime. Nohomersryan (talk) 04:29, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The current citation of 6' 3" simply quotes Trump's claim of 6' 3", while offering photographic evidence that even 6' 2" is "unbelievable". Replysixty (talk) 21:25, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Probably around 6‘1. There’s a 2000 photograph with Bill Clinton and both men seem about equal. However, several photos show that Obama seems slightly taller than Clinton (here and here). So, I assume either Clintons number is also false or he just became at least two inches shorter in the past few years. 217.110.69.30 (talk) 10:19, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

If Donald Trump's driver's license says 6'2" - Then this is his official height. Change it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.86.38.203 (talk) 22:56, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Does Trump's height include his coiffure? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:903:180:454:4C93:6373:67A3:FCA9 (talk) 15:49, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

How about we just compromise and say that Trump is 6 foot and 2.5 inches. It would be a good compromise between 6"2 and 6"3. L.H. (talk) 10:57, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * That compromise would not be good idea at all. In fact, this is the exact same "solution" that, according to WP:LAME, was applied to end the edit war over Rey Mysterio's height. WP:LAME also explians why this solution was problematic, to quote This edit war, which was strongly contested due to the many conflicting sources, led to the bizarre compromise of listing his height at 5'4½" with the text "We have come to a compromise between 5'2" and 5'5"." thus throwing out all sources and making a claim based on middle ground rather than accuracy. There are sources that list the POTUS at 6'3", and at 6'2" but an appeal to moderation to end a edit war by listing him at a compromise height that no sources have listed him as does not strike me as particularly wise. For what it's worth, I think the measurement of 6'3" as that is the president's official height as measured by White House physician Ronny Jackson and the lower height seem to mostly come from the so-called "Girther" conspiracy theory that states that the president only claims to be 6'3" to not be considered obese by the body mass index and it would thus violate WP:FRINGE to give WP:UNDUE weight to a conspiracy theory. -- Millionsandbillions (talk) 16:58, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

I was right. President Trump is 6'3".
I was the one who had the debate here a year ago saying that President Trump is 6'3". And guess what? I was right, . Just listen to the new official physical exam report from his personal doctor, Rear Admiral Dr. Ronny Jackson, MD. MAGA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.196.204 (talk) 16:29, 17 January 2018 (UTC) I needed to mention that a website says that Trump is 6'1' and this photograph proves it: http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics/GTY-trumps-obamas-transition-jef-170120_3x2_1600.jpg. Trump has no real hair, and his hair makes him look taller than Obama. But Obama has very few hair on top. Trump's hair is wigged on his head btw. Todd (talk) 02:32, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Calm down. You're straining harder than Trump would have to in order to measure 6'3. :p Nohomersryan (talk) 18:48, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * pictures aren't proof, the source we have is better and its not a wig as proven on jimmy kimmel עם ישראל חי (talk) 14:53, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

How? Trump doesn't look like 6'3'! Todd (talk) 04:01, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
 * the official white house doctor measured him. עם ישראל חי (talk) 16:04, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Trump is not, and has never been 6'3". At present he stands around 6'0.5" tall, and at his peak, he was about 6'2". Were he 6'3", he would not be consistently shorter than (or matched in height by) many of the people around him. If Trump is 6'3", Obama's a strong 6'3" (he's not) and James Comey would be over 6'10". He should be downgraded (either to 6'2", as that's what he used to be, or 6'0.5", as that's about what he is now). https://www.celebheights.com/s/Donald-Trump-126.html

His own driver's license listed him at 6'2". Dan (talk) 16:18, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * the DMV makes mistakes all the time the white house doctor just said hes 6'3" עם ישראל חי (talk) 18:55, 20 February 2018 (UTC)


 * The DMV doesn’t measure anyone’s height; they use whatever height you claim on your application (unless you’re 5’2" and put down 6’2" or vice versa). Trump appears to have claimed that his height was 6’2" for decades, and suddenly between ages 65 and 71 he grew an inch (NYT, Guardian)? Not likely, unless you’ve been living in zero gravity for quite a while (space). Considering the amount of physical exercise Trump gets (according to him it’s "mostly golf", and he tools around in a golf cart instead of walking between shots), he’s probably even shorter than 6’2" by now. Did former WH physician Dr. Jackson stand Trump, in his bare feet, in front of a height scale?  He didn't say, one way or the other.  Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 14:48, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * 6'3 is nonsense, just campare Trump to Obama in Inauiguration. There is no way he's 2 inches or 6 cm taller. They look about the same height. --217.110.69.30 (talk) 13:49, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Request for Edit Protection
As there are several cucks who have made a long-term hobby of vandalizing this article and removing the OFFICIAL White House reference for PRESIDENT Trump's height:

I am requesting that this article be given full edit protection, to put an end to this continuous and persistent vandalism. This Talk page will show that I have been attempting to combat this vandalism for nearly two years now, even before the OFFICIAL White House medical exam was released in January 2018.

It has now been nearly a full year that this OFFICIAL document has been publicly released, and yet I am still having to revert outdated fake news media "references" propagating conspiracy theories that PRESIDENT Trump's former OFFICIAL physician, Adm. Dr. Ronny Jackson, supposedly fabricated his OFFICIAL height of 6'3".

This is clearly absurd, and Wikipedia's administrators at this point have no real option but to grant this article full protection, if they want to maintain any semblance of order and legitimacy in this article. Thank you. 192.254.1.7 (talk) 05:20, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Please re-instate full edit protection, and make it permanent this time. Trolls have gone right back to vandalizing this article, by removing the OFFICIAL reference for Trump's height, and re-inserting UNOFFICIAL fake news conspiracy theories. 192.254.1.7 (talk) 02:52, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Take 2: Please re-instate full edit protection, and make it permanent this time. Trolls have gone right back to vandalizing this article, by removing the OFFICIAL reference for Trump's height, and re-inserting UNOFFICIAL fake news conspiracy theories. 192.254.1.7 (talk) 05:45, 20 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Pay attention before you revert and complain. The Trump medical report is still there (reference #2). No-one is removing it. Please move on, get your finger off the CapsLock key and STOP SHOUTING. WWGB (talk) 06:05, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Trump's height
Please stop undoing the edit I have made. I have listed a valid source, which is his driver license. Martinkopperudandersen (talk) 22:43, 26 December 2018 (UTC)


 * the official white house doctors report is more valid so stop it already עם ישראל חי (talk) 23:00, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

No, it is not a more valid source. A valid source is the driver licence. And it is not possible for trump to grow an inch in his state. Even you have to admit that. Martinkopperudandersen (talk) 00:38, 27 December 2018 (UTC)


 * The height listed on a US driver licence is self-reported, it is not checked or corroborated independently, and is not reliable. Dr Jackson's report of January 2018 reports Trump's height at 75" (6'3") . It is an independent medical source. It is wrong to state that the licence is "a more valid source" as it is unsubstantiated. While sources question the height recorded by Jackson, it remains the most recent independent assessment of Trump's height. Wikipedia cites reliable sources rather than self-reported ones. WWGB (talk) 01:53, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

You can alson look at photos with Trump and other world leaders and see that the 6 foot 3 claim is quite ridicuousely. With Canadas prime minister who is 6 feet 2, Trump looks like 6 feet 1. And with Jeb Bush who is actually 6 feet 3 inches, during the campaign, he manages to look even smaller. A also see that he looks the same with 6 feet 1 inch Obama and maybe an inch lower than Natos leader Jens Stoltenberg. I would settle at 6 feet 2 inches as a compromise and this would also be more i line with his peak height too. Martinkopperudandersen (talk) 11:23, 27 December 2018 (UTC)


 * the reliable source says 6'-3" the licence is not a valid source as it is self reported furthermore your opinion about his height based on pictures is not valid עם ישראל חי (talk) 14:31, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

His height as listed on his OFFICIAL medical examination is 6'3". Now stop trolling. 2601:600:827F:B40A:3409:3908:FC20:ED7F (talk) 12:04, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Problems with original research
Most of the "Electoral success as a function of height" is WP:OR. One section is an analyses of the heights of presidents at various times using the values listed on a table listed further down in an article with no input from secondary sources. This is a blatant OR violation. Then we have the unsourced sentence The claims about taller candidates winning almost all modern presidential elections is still pervasive, however. Followed by Examples of such views include: This examples list includes everything from pop psych books to novels, with no guiding secondary source to determine which of these is actually important or relevant to the discussion. Further down under the "Extremes" section, we have a sentence which says Only slightly shorter than Lincoln was Lyndon B. Johnson (6 ft 3 1⁄2 in or 192 cm), the tallest President who originally entered office without being elected directly, and President Donald Trump (6 ft 3 in or 191 cm).. This is sourced to Trump's medical report. That report makes no comparisons of his height to Lincoln's or Jonhson's, and is basically being used to support one data point (how tall Trump is) to make a larger argument. That's a textbook OR violation. -Indy beetle (talk) 20:00, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Trump is barely 6'1 so why perpetuate the 6'3 falsehood?
Here he is considerably shorter than someone that's 6'3 https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/953443657541025792 and here's him slightly shorter standing next to Obama who is 6'1 https://www.marketplace.org/2017/02/16/trump-economy-lookahead/ Trump telling his WH doctor that he's 6'3 is irrelevant and isn't evidence given his penchant for lying... 137.205.1.158 (talk) 16:06, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It’s his official height so it stays. The article is nonsense anyway. WWGB (talk) 00:04, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Donald J. Trump height is likely inaccurate
It is extremely unlikely that Donald J. Trump's height is accurate. While standing next to people reliably sourced to be 191cm, he is distinctly shorter. A good example is when he was standing next to Jeb Bush (also reported to be 191cm) during one of the 2016 debates. Another good comparison can be found with Obama, he appears to be roughly the same height, casting significant doubt on the veracity of his height claims.

Please note that the source for Trump's height is his own White House - it is essentially self-reported. It should be clarified in the article. KristofferR (talk) 12:39, 15 February 2019 (UTC)


 * I think his currently listed height should remain as that was what he was measured as. He has been measured during his physicals as 6'3, he may or may not be shorter but Wikipedia operates on WP:Verifiability, not truth. Although there have been some stories that say he is actually 6'2 and only claims to be one inch taller so he is not considered obese; this conspiracy theory has been called Girtherism and really has no point anywhere in this article per WP:FRINGE, at least until it becomes verifiable that the president is actually 6'2 or shorter. Photographs are not verifiable proof that the president is lying about his height because pictures can be deceptive; someone who is tall can appear shorter than a shorter person if the taller person in a photo is slouching and the shorter person in a photo is stretching, for example. As for the source for Trump's claim being the White House's doctor's report, yes it is, but even if that primary source were removed there are still secondary sources that show his height at 6'3. Also note that that primary source was only added on November 7, 2018 by an anonymous IP (who seemed to like edit warring and was fond of the word "cuck"). For months before that Trump's height was listed at 6'3'' using only secondary sources. Also, please note that this issue has already been discussed to death on this very talk page and has been the subject of many edit wars and page protections. -- Millionsandbillions (talk) 19:14, 15 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Trump's height was reported variously as 6'2" (self-reported on his driver's licence) and 6'3" (independently verified by the official White House doctor). The official independent measurement takes precedence over one which has not been verified. I see no problem with adding a mention of the discrepancy (and the "girther" claim) in a Notes section of the article. WWGB (talk) 01:39, 16 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is based on facts, not on personal beliefs. Sources on President Trump's height shall not be journalists speculations on pictures but rather statements from qualified doctors. 3 separate doctors consistently confirmed Donald Trump's height being 6 foot 3 and their statements shall replace the current biased and inaccurate sources. Dr. Harold Bornstein, 2016 https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/DJT_Medical_Records_.pdf ; Dr. Ronny Jackson, 2018 https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Summary-of-Physical-Exam-for-President-Trump-12-Jan-2018.pdf ; Dr. Sean Conley, 2019 https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/memorandum-physician-president-2/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rollsmootmedia (talk • contribs) 02:36, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Those doctors are not independent, but handpicked by Trump and/or the administration. Bornstein is believed to have acted unethically as has Jackson . Their claims can certainly be mentioned but should not be taken at face value. 331dot (talk) 03:31, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * If you're going to dismiss Doctors' statements you can dismiss the whole of Wikipedia, especially this page. Anyone could dispute any President's height claim depending on their beliefs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.91.135.212 (talk) 15:28, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * My view is not based on my political beliefs, but on the clear evidence. I did not say their determination, poor as it is, should be excluded, but it does need to be in context. 331dot (talk) 19:44, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Did I say 'political?' You believe Trump's measured height to be inaccurate based on pictures you call 'clear evidence,' which in fact are no 'clear evidence.' You'd have to take into account the thickness of the shoes, the amount of slouching, the exact height of the people you're comparing one to, and I don't think this kind of amateurish 'inquiries' belong on Wikipedia, I might be wrong... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rollsmootmedia (talk • contribs) 05:08, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm referring to the reasons to doubt the doctor's claims at face value. 331dot (talk) 09:47, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

He's always appeared equal to or shorter than everyone he is photographed next to that have been verified as 6' 1" or taller. So unless hes slouching in every single picture, he's not 6' 3". Shaunatate (talk) 07:19, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * To go through multiple photographs and declare Trump's height to be less than 6' 1 because he looks shorter would be a violation of WP:OR. Once again, three separate doctors have measured the president at 6' 3 and even if they are all lying Wikipedia's requirement for inclusion is WP:Verifiability, not truth. -- Millionsandbillions (talk) 19:33, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

If wikipedia is to be based on truth, rather than fact, then 6ft3 is untenable. By comparing a large number of photographs of Trump with other people of known heights, it is clear that his height is 6ft1 or about 186cm, at most 187cm. For instance, check him alongside Obama. Say: https://news.files.bbci.co.uk/vj/live/idt-images/image-slider-inauguration_2/slider2trump_h5p1g.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.36.70.107 (talk) 08:11, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * That is original research and has no place in Wikipedia. WWGB (talk) 11:22, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Trump IS NOT 6’3. Jeb Bush is 6’3 and Trump is nowhere near that height: https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-jeb-bush-marijuana-ad-instagram-2015-9

That height is based on WH lies and his doctor lying on his physical on Trump’s orders. Heck, even his former doctor, Bornstein, admitted Trump dictated letters regarding his health: https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/05/01/trumps-former-physician-makes-a-confession-after-revealing-his-office-was-raided

For a view on how Obama and Trump compare see this video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fycYeq_jfX0

Obama is 6’1. Taken in toto Trump is about 1/2in shorter than Obama. Rockfan (talk) 21:57, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

He is now in his 70s, so maybe he was 6'3 in his youth. --Lord vom Ork (talk) 14:59, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Not according to his driver's license, and his height in his youth is irrelevant to his height as president anyway. This height page is stupid though. Most of the heights are questionable. Trump, for example, is not 6'3 no matter how many times we say it. 65.26.215.247 (talk) 15:20, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Published evidence of Trump's height
6 feet 3 inches
 * Dr Harold Bornstein (2016)
 * Dr Ronny Jackson (2018)
 * Dr Sean Conley (2019)

6 feet 2 inches
 * Selective Service registration card (1964)
 * Driver License (2012)

And so the edit war continues ..... WWGB (talk) 06:26, 28 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I would just like to point out that this debate over the height of Trump is irrelevant anyway as far as the 2016 election is concerned since obviously other physical difference between Hilary and Donald were by far more distinctive than their height. And plus everybody knows that height can vary throughout the day. May I propose a compromise? Let Trump round up to 6' 3" in the inches but round him down to 190 centimeters. — Code  Hydro  18:06, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * 6'3" or 75 inches converts to 190.5 cm. In Mathematics, decimal fractions of 0.5 and above always round to the next highest whole number. That will always be 191. WWGB (talk) 00:48, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Trump's height is disputed. The compromise would be to list him at 6ft 2 (1964 registation card) and mention the 6ft 3 (medical) figure.
 * No, we follow reliable sources. We do not "compromise". WWGB (talk) 01:19, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The problem with the 6ft 3 figure is that it might have been self reported. Thus, the source isn't reliable as his doctor didn't measure him properly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0A:A546:13EA:0:147D:4928:2BFB:1FFC (talk) 12:54, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * How do you know? Were you there? A White House report is a reliable source. WWGB (talk) 00:00, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * It is a WP:PRIMARY source at best; it is inappropriate to try and use it to dispute the conclusion of secondary sources. I wouldn't even agree that it's a WP:RS - does the White House have a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy? Normally we would wait to see what secondary sources say, and in this case they've overtly doubted it and plainly endorsed 6'2" as the more accurate figure. --Aquillion (talk) 04:16, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Hell, even if they would put him down as 7ft 3 you would say it's official and reliable. Well, official nonsense.
 * Ok, I won't compromise either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0A:A546:13EA:0:4530:6A36:1E19:3E7C (talk) 16:27, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Clean up metric conversion
I know this might not be important for people in the non-metric World, but someone needs to clean up the metric conversion. 6ft 4 is not 2 meters by any means. Actually 6ft 6 is about 2 meters (and even that is a little less than 2 meters).

anyway, it's an interesting article nevertheless.

Agreed, Biden's height is listed as 6" and it is converted to be 2 metres which is way off. I'm just under 6"2' and I'm 1.85m. Stefanzi (talk) 07:18, 18 March 2021 (UTC)