Talk:Heilongjiang/Archive 1

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The author of this article is an idiot. Where on earth does the North China Tiger come from. There is only Northeast China Tiger (Dongbei Tiger). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dongbei (talk • contribs)
 * Take a look at the article North China Tiger. If you believe that it is erroneous, discuss on that article's talk page.  As it stands, your edits break the link.  --Nlu (talk) 16:50, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * On second thought, since that article has been relinked to Siberian Tiger, I'll just change it to Siberian Tiger. --Nlu (talk) 16:51, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Conquest of Heilongjiang
Right. I have a very good Chinese friend from Harbin city next to me and in the course of a big debate on the Chinese occupation of Tibet he told me that his people in Heilongjiang province have been ruled by the Han Chinese, who although 'small, are very clever', for over 1000 years. However, this article appears to suggest that the Han Chinese conquered Heilongjiang sometime around 1683. Given that he genuinely believes that the Tibetans are to blame for the Chinese occupation, can anybody clarify the real situation regarding the Han Chinese conquest of this area? For my own interest, is there any history of the Han Chinese conquest of what is now known as China? Existing histories seem to be extraordinarily Han-centred with everybody else causing the trouble. As an Irishman that sounds very familiar! Dunlavin Green (talk) 17:47, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


 * 1:
 * As an Irishman you should know that there is over 35 million Irish Americans, so when you whine about Northern Ireland you should know that you Irish have colonized the land of the Native Americans who now happily live in their reservations.


 * 2:
 * There is no Chinese occupation of Tibet, Chinese rule over Tibet is accepted by international law and UN just as white rule over Siberia, Northern America and Australia(Amerindians are yellow race people, they are not white people), or Japanese rule over Hokkaido and Okinawa, Indian rule over Northeast India, Russian rule over Kaliningrad, Yakutia, Chechnya, Dagestan, British rule over Northern Ireland, Turkish rule over Kurdistan, Spanish rule over Basque and Catalonia, ...And I could go on and on and on... learn some world history.
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 * You have section history in this article please read it. Also, this article does not mention that this area was under control of early Ming dynasty, and later Manchus were vassals of the Ming emperors(they were Han Chinese), until Nurhaci announced Seven Grievances and declared war to Ming, and then they came to power in China with the help of Ming rebels(Wu Sangui).(Li Zicheng's peasant rebels actually destroyed the Ming dynasty.)Kgrrr123 (talk) 14:11, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Heilongjiang would first have come under central Chinese control during the Yuan dynasty (1271 - 1368AD). Though to what degree of control and for how long is not clear. During the Ming dynasty, the province was outside of China. Heilongjiang later became part of the Manchu empire. It is important to point out that Heilongjiang was not conquered by China in the 17th Century but in fact the reverse. The Manchu conquered China. The Qing dynasty of the 17th to 20th centuries was a Manchu dynasty not Han. Likewise the Yuan dynasty was a Mongol dynasty. Chinese history is complex. Rincewind42 (talk) 11:22, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

黑龙江 and 黑龍江 Re-directs
For the discussion on what the target of those two re-directs should be, see this discussion. Thanks. --HXL's Roundtable, and Record 19:16, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Statistics out of date
Most data is based on the 2005 Statistical Yearbook. The 2010 is already published, maybe someone could take the time to update? I would do it myself but not for the next few weeks... Shenhemu (talk) 23:07, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

section1
The author of this article is an idiot. Where on earth does the North China Tiger come from. There is only Northeast China Tiger (Dongbei Tiger). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dongbei (talk • contribs)
 * Take a look at the article North China Tiger. If you believe that it is erroneous, discuss on that article's talk page.  As it stands, your edits break the link.  --Nlu (talk) 16:50, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * On second thought, since that article has been relinked to Siberian Tiger, I'll just change it to Siberian Tiger. --Nlu (talk) 16:51, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Conquest of Heilongjiang
Right. I have a very good Chinese friend from Harbin city next to me and in the course of a big debate on the Chinese occupation of Tibet he told me that his people in Heilongjiang province have been ruled by the Han Chinese, who although 'small, are very clever', for over 1000 years. However, this article appears to suggest that the Han Chinese conquered Heilongjiang sometime around 1683. Given that he genuinely believes that the Tibetans are to blame for the Chinese occupation, can anybody clarify the real situation regarding the Han Chinese conquest of this area? For my own interest, is there any history of the Han Chinese conquest of what is now known as China? Existing histories seem to be extraordinarily Han-centred with everybody else causing the trouble. As an Irishman that sounds very familiar! Dunlavin Green (talk) 17:47, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


 * 1:
 * As an Irishman you should know that there is over 35 million Irish Americans, so when you whine about Northern Ireland you should know that you Irish have colonized the land of the Native Americans who now happily live in their reservations.


 * 2:
 * There is no Chinese occupation of Tibet, Chinese rule over Tibet is accepted by international law and UN just as white rule over Siberia, Northern America and Australia(Amerindians are yellow race people, they are not white people), or Japanese rule over Hokkaido and Okinawa, Indian rule over Northeast India, Russian rule over Kaliningrad, Yakutia, Chechnya, Dagestan, British rule over Northern Ireland, Turkish rule over Kurdistan, Spanish rule over Basque and Catalonia, ...And I could go on and on and on... learn some world history.
 * 3:
 * You have section history in this article please read it. Also, this article does not mention that this area was under control of early Ming dynasty, and later Manchus were vassals of the Ming emperors(they were Han Chinese), until Nurhaci announced Seven Grievances and declared war to Ming, and then they came to power in China with the help of Ming rebels(Wu Sangui).(Li Zicheng's peasant rebels actually destroyed the Ming dynasty.)Kgrrr123 (talk) 14:11, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Heilongjiang would first have come under central Chinese control during the Yuan dynasty (1271 - 1368AD). Though to what degree of control and for how long is not clear. During the Ming dynasty, the province was outside of China. Heilongjiang later became part of the Manchu empire. It is important to point out that Heilongjiang was not conquered by China in the 17th Century but in fact the reverse. The Manchu conquered China. The Qing dynasty of the 17th to 20th centuries was a Manchu dynasty not Han. Likewise the Yuan dynasty was a Mongol dynasty. Chinese history is complex. Rincewind42 (talk) 11:22, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

黑龙江 and 黑龍江 Re-directs
For the discussion on what the target of those two re-directs should be, see this discussion. Thanks. --HXL's Roundtable, and Record 19:16, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Statistics out of date
Most data is based on the 2005 Statistical Yearbook. The 2010 is already published, maybe someone could take the time to update? I would do it myself but not for the next few weeks... Shenhemu (talk) 23:07, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

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