Talk:Helen Grant (politician)

Promotional material
I've just finished making several changes to the article from this version which rather read like it was there to promote Helen Grant rather than inform readers about her in neutral fashion. For edxample, revelations about her membership of Labour were not a smear campaign - merely reporting of fact. And why do we need to state that she didn't vote or campaign for Labour? I've also removed the information about the number of clients and employees that Grants Solicitors has. This is an article about Grant rather than her legal practice, and much of the information added wasn't in the Guardian ref anyway. If she should become prime minister one day then I'm sure we'll have an article about Grants Solicitors, and probably even the Raffles estate, but that's all for the future. TheRetroGuy (talk) 12:23, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Have started an article about Raffles as the area seems large enough to merit one. Haven't found much up to date information yet though. In 1994 the estate seemed to be troubled by crime, but not sure whether that has changed. Anyway, hopefully someone can update it. TheRetroGuy (talk) 13:15, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Use of the Daily Mail
According to WP:Suggested sources one should "generally avoid British tabloids such as the Daily Mail, Daily Express, The Mirror and The Sun." According to WP:BLPSOURCES, Material should not be added to an article when the only sourcing is tabloid journalism. When material is both verifiable and noteworthy, it will have appeared in more reliable sources. JRPG (talk) 15:55, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Rewording of interview
I amended "She said in a 2008 interview with the Daily Mail that as the only black resident of the estate she was the victim of racist bullying" as this connects two separate statements made in the interview in a manner that the source does not, and is therefore WP:SYNTH. I think it's clear from the statement " "I really wasn't keen on school playtime, as that was where the trouble would be," she says. "I admit I got involved in fights and was dragged before the headmaster" " that the bullying occurred at school, not on her estate. January ( talk ) 18:26, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The same information was added to Raffles, Cumbria, which I'm now going to remove. It seems irrelevant to me to include information like this in a geography article. Paul MacDermott (talk) 18:40, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 23 May 2018

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the pages at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 04:23, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

– Politician gets 91% of traffic.|Helen_Grant_(politician)|Helen_Grant_(author)|Helen_Grant_(field_hockey) Unreal7 (talk) 21:54, 23 May 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Dreamy Jazz (talk) 17:05, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Helen Grant (politician) → Helen Grant
 * Helen Grant → Helen Grant (disambiguation)
 * Support Per nom.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 06:38, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Support: Traffic indicates people are much more often looking for the politician article, so it appears to be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. (That's not always a certain thing; there can be brief spikes in popularity of a topic. But a political election that was over 8 years ago is probably not such a spike.)  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  15:48, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Political figure with with no international renown. Not WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.   Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:07, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose. No P T here, the author and sportsperson are both as significant as the politician. Andrewa (talk) 16:25, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose. She is not internationally recognisable, but this could change if she is ever appointed to a senior cabinet post. This is Paul (talk) 17:24, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. A clear primary topic. The other two can be added directly to the hatnote, so no reader is inconvenienced. Station1 (talk) 21:15, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Support – The politician received sustained coverage over several years, whereas the other two homonyms had fleeting event-based recognition. — JFG talk 22:10, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The politician is certainly newsier in the present day, which is why she dominates the current pageview stats, but it is not at all clear that she has permanently eclipsed the other two as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC in perpetuity — if and when she's no longer in office, her pageview stats are likely to subside considerably. The other two may not be as currently visible as the politician, but their notability was neither "fleeting" nor "event-based" — there's a field hockey player whose notability extended over seven years of major league play, and an author whose article simply hasn't been updated recently to note that she has published six novels as of 2018 and not just two. These are not minor footnotes to history we're talking about here; they're genuinely notable even if they're not currently as newsy. Bearcat (talk) 19:54, 4 June 2018 (UTC)


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Post nominals
I've removed the post nominal MP from the lede, because we don't tend to do that for Members of Parliament in the UK. This is Paul (talk) 17:27, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Her son shoots in Ukraine and she s working for girls educatioN?
They finally got him, pls add it https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/28/british-tory-mp-son-ben-grant-saves-fellow-volunteer-ukraine-russia God shave the Queen? --89.216.214.72 (talk) 14:34, 29 May 2022 (UTC)


 * yep, running like a rat in ukrainian forests 85.26.183.75 (talk) 10:33, 2 June 2022 (UTC)