Talk:Helena Bonham Carter/Archive 1

Better Known
"...renowned for her portrayal of pre- and early 20th century female characters...." Umm... was someone expecting she would play the male ones? -FZ 13:49, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * she managed to play an ape quite well though
 * Not to mention her role in Fight Club? I don't think she's renowned for those roles, just well-known overall. I think she's best known in North America for her role in Fight Club, though.--69.156.207.170 15:55, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Only one of her last eight films would count as 'period' [no funny comments about 'Planet'!]; she is probably better known for the more recent work. Maybe the opening sentence needs changing? thegirlinwhite 20:40, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Under "Career" it says "Room With a View" was filmed later but released earlier. This does not make sense!!! Did the author get it mixed up? (should it be "filmed earlier but released later"?)


 * No, I assure you that is what happened. It was filmed later than Lady Jane but released earlier. PatGallacher 16:47, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Is she even known for her role in Terminator? She was in the movie for about three minutes, had her head shaved and was wearing makeup to the point she didn't really look like herself. Seems out of place to me. Gopherbassist (talk) 03:59, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Picture
How about a photo of the actress without the free ad for the tobacco industry? No need to promote a deadly habit at the same time.

YES, exactly my thoughts. I saw that picture and, despite all of my will power, could not help but get in my car, drive down to the 7-eleven, and by a pack of Camel unfiltereds, and just go NUTS. Must... Fight it... Tobacco companies... making me want to smoke. Ah!

It is unfortunate, but it's an excellent picture and better than any others that are searchable.

Better a picture of her smoking than no pic at all. Also, it seems to me that censoring photos with cigarettes in them somehow violates NPOV.

Filmography format
Shouldn't her so-called "filmography" be called "Selected roles" instead? Or should the list be edited to provide titles first, then roles? Telestylo 07:12, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
 * "selected roles" is certainly more literate but "filmography" is the catch-all used on the internet. Shame we have this cruddy precedent, which is something of an Anglo-American divide too. Do try and guess which side I come down on. thegirlinwhite 19:52, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Jewish
There is a statement that both Helena and her mother are "considered Jewish". Who considers them Jewish. Do they ? This statement needs explanation and/or substantiation, or else deletion.--jrleighton 00:58, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Certainly. The explanation is that under traditional Jewish religious law anyone with a Jewish mother is considered Jewish, regardless of e.g. conversion to Christianity, or identity of their father. See Who is a Jew? PatGallacher 01:32, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

An anon user put some queries in the article which should really have been dealt with under the talk page. But to answer them, my understanding of Jewish religious law is that the descendants in the female line of Jewish converts to Christianity or Islam remain Jewish indefinitely, there is no time limit. PatGallacher 00:52, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand why this is considered significant in a page about her - unless she thinks it is. This must be true of many women. "remain Jewish indefinitely, there is no time limit" - from whose point of view? 139.163.138.10 01:59, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I thought I had answered that one - from the point of view of Jewish religious law. I think it's notable. PatGallacher 09:03, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Presumably you believe such a comment should be added to any entry concerning any woman that some undefined person or persons consider "remain Jewish indefinitely"? 139.163.138.10 07:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It would be perfectly appropriate to identify her as Jewish if she is so regarded by that religion, with due notation that the affiliation is from their point of view, not necessarily hers. The convention about Judaism being hereditary in the female line is not some ersatz rule, but is ancient, formal, and well-known. Difficulty arises only insofar as various branches of Judaism and the nation of Israel have evolved conflicting rules on what makes a person Jewish. Under Orthodox and Conservative rules of Halakha, it appears that Helena is a Jew because her grandmother's change of religion is not accepted as conversion but is treated, technically, as apostasy, i.e. she remained Jewish but out of conformity with her religion/ethnicity's rules. But for the branches of Progressive Judaism, the grandmother's voluntary conversion may have removed her from membership in the faith at the time of her marriage, thus terminating the right of her daughters and daughters' daughters to be considered Jewish. Under their canons Helena would be entitled to claim Jewish membership assuming that her mother qualified as a Jew (her mother remains Jewish by Orthodox/Conservative standards, but not by Progressive standards -- which, however, had not been formalized when the grandmother married, so Helena is not a Jew only if Progressive rules are applied retro-actively). The state of Israel would recognized Helena as entitled to make aliyah, but would sidestep the Jewishness issue neatly by accepting her as an Israeli by right of return, but not necessarily a Jew. I think that Helena's background heritage is well-described in the article, and provides enough information for readers to decide for themselves how they regard the subject's Jewish affiliation, depending upon which rules they choose to apply. I would expect that the majority would consider Helena whatever she considers herself, but for those that apply other standards, the info is here to do so. It is accurate to describe her as "of Jewish extraction" -- since Jews-by-birth are often considered an ethnic group and such affiliations are appropriate to mention in a biographical article. But because the family back story is recounted in full in this article, it would be redundant. Although her affiliation per se is relevant, none of this speculation about her affiliation is germane to the article unless something were to render Helena's religion or ethnicity relevant, e.g. announced adherence to some religion, a public political stance on issues relevant to Judaism or Israel, etc.Lethiere 01:15, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Just FYI, I have just (as in right now) seen Helena give an interview on BBC1's Breakfast show about her upcoming film "Sixty-six". In the interview she mentioned that her mother is Jewish (In the film she plays a Jewish mother). I just noticed that this page says that her mother is Roman Catholic - is there a conflict here or "Jewish" just her heritage? aLii 09:03, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Just her heritage, it seems. I don't think her mother practices any religion. Mad Jack 08:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Think we got some severe bias issues with indicating Jewish ancestry on this article. Less attempts should be focused on trying to dig up deep genealogical informaton to make Carter Jewish enough to convince some fans she'll be praying in Israel soon, and more on presenting neutrality. The grandfather is indicated as only "half Czech" in this source,, Because of the quotations from this strangly written blog-like article that makes some statement about Helena saying her mother had "tons of Jewish blood," User:Jack O'Lantern conducted original research by synthesis] to conclude that the Czech half (if it is, in fact, "half Czech") was Jewish, supported by some rootwebs reference with a couple "Jewish-sounding" names. Yet, this highly reliable source has the statement "Elena, always reminded her she was also half Spanish, a bit Jewish, as red-blooded as blue-blooded" Apparently, in complete contradiction, "tons" changed to "a bit" and a quarter Spanish changed to "half Spanish." Selecting any one of these sources to favor is POV (though some certainly look more reliable than others).

In addition the category Category:English Jews is terribly wrong. No family member of hers was both English (ethnicity) and Jewish (ethnicity) or English (ethnicity) and Jewish (religion) so if this category stays then so should Category:French-Spaniards, Category:Russian actors, Category:Austrian actors, Category:Russian Jews, Category:French-Russians, Category:Russian-English_people, Category:French Jews, Category:French actors...I think you get the idea. In fact there are many such sources which would imply through WP:SYNTH differently, such as "Elena, predominantly French and Spanish - with a smattering of Jewish, Russian and Viennese for good measure." or where her mother is described merely as French-Spanish. Choosing the ones that suit the Jewish Carter is mere POV, and we attempt to go for WP:NPOV. So to comply with that and, indeed, WP:BLP. Therefore, I'm removing the categories and the badly sourced claim. Mostly importantly though, Carter makes certain to only mention that her mother had Jewish descent whenever she talks about Judaism, and no sources indicate that she has ever had any religious affliation with the religion. "Identifying" has nothing to do with ethnicity. If you want to desperately keep the Jewish actors category, please also add Czech, Russian, French, Spanish, and Austrian actor categories too, so that one source is not favored over another. 68.223.217.113 19:27, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's not synthesis. This Guardian interview, from 1997, states that Bonham Carter's mother is of entirely Jewish ancestry, and that her ancestors converted to Catholicism at various points: "her looks come more from her mother's side, a mixture of Spanish, French, Czech and Austrian antecedents, all originally Jewish who converted to Catholicism at different times." (Bonham Carter describes her mother as simply "Jewish" in a couple of interviews; including the one someone mentioned above, on BBC Breakfast). I wouldn't call "Tiscali" a "highly reliable source", though. I'm sure it's written by professionals, but, like Wikipedia or the IMDB, it takes its information from other sources, making it a second-hand source. As for the categories: First of all, there is a "People of Spanish descent" category here that no one has removed. Next, the category "Jewish actors" does not indicate a nationality or a citizenship, which is not the case for categories like "Spanish actors" or "Austrian actors". These categories would not take into account the fact that she is English (unlike "English Jews"). No one would consider Bonham Carter to be of Spanish nationality or Austrian nationality, because, indeed, she isn't. But that's not the case for being Jewish. In fact, she refers to herself as Jewish here:  “I am half French, half Spanish and Jewish - but I’m always seen as very British. I’m finally getting in touch with my Jewish roots.” In fact, there's a category called "Category:Anglo-French people", and I will add that as well if it pleases you. Mad Jack 20:46, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, it most certainly was synthesis, as you used two separate sources to derive one that is unverified, which is precisely what is detailed in WP:SYNTH. Note that I said the TIMES link was "highly reliable" not Tiscali. Tiscali might not be that reliable but it is certainly moreso than the contact-music source which is paraded through-out the article. A website with "music and entertainment news flashes" like this paragraph-long article seems questionable, but nobody seems to be complaining about that source. Again, you ignore, from the Times of all places, which is in direct conflict with the implication that her Spanish heritage is apparently also converted. "Bonham Carter describes her mother as simply "Jewish" in a couple of interviews" Her grandfather is described merely as "Spanish" in some links but that hasn't stopped any revisions, interestingly. Some reliable sources indiciate Russian but nobody has flocked to add Category:French-Russians, Category:Russian-English_people, which seem legitimate in the wake of all this, as they are ethnic categories unlike the actor ones. She refers to herself as Jewish here: “I am half French, half Spanish and Jewish" In order for this to work there would have to be a comma before "and" which there isn't and besides there doesn't seem to be a source that indicates the necessity of categorization under such circumstances. In fact, there is one to the contrary: the undue weight clause which is being violated here. Of course nobody has removed Category:People of Spanish descent. It shouldn't be removed. Neither should Category:People of Austrian descent, Category:People of Jewish descent, and Category:People of English descent if those categories existed on here. Category:Jewish actors should, as the numerous instances of contrarian sources and Bonham's own stress of "half-Jewishness" (which is a legitimate classification today) should be enough to prove that. Let's lay off the POV for a while. It's not anything more than fun trivia anyway, and it only risks WP:BLP problems in the future, for other articles too. 68.223.217.113 21:38, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't call the Times article you showed a contrast to the Guardian article any more than Bonham Carer's reference to her mother as "Very Jewish" here  contrasts Bonham Carter's grandfather being Spanish. All of these articles play around with the words Austrian, French, Spanish, Czech, and Jewish, in references alternating between ethnicity, religion, and nationality. I don't see how re-adding the Jewish categories is POV; one could similarly say that including the Spanish category but not the Jewish one is POV, because it indicates that her Spanish heritage is more noteworthy than her Jewish one. Like I said before, Bonham Carter has indeed identified as Jewish, here, "I am half French, half Spanish and Jewish". BTW, the line "Other sources indicate her mother as half Spanish" is totally unnecessary, since her father's Spanish nationality is mentioned in the very next sentence, and being Spanish does not contrast also being Jewish or of Jewish descent. Mad Jack 22:43, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * So a 'bit Jewish' versus 'very Jewish' isn't conflicting? The Times article says that the mother stresses being half-Spanish. Obviously, the mother wasn't refering the nationality here as that would make no sense. It may not contradict being of Jewish descent, but it does contradict being of the Jewish ethnicity. I already explained that if a Category:People of Jewish descent existed, it would have every right to stay as Category:People of Spanish descent. It doesn't exist, but I wouldn't revert anyone whoever removed Category:People of Spanish descent even if it is accurate because of the seeming POV you explained. However, I'm not going to remove it myself since the category could easily include someone of 1/32nd Spanish. That's a problem with the category itself; not our problem really. What is POV is selected particular sources to use for sourcing here. Again with: "I am half French, half Spanish and Jewish." This doesn't work as you interpret it because it doesn't have a comma in the right place to break down into the phrases "I am half French. I am half Spanish. I am Jewish" This would then be interpreted as the religion. As far as I know, nothing indicates a Jewish religious affliation. What is this bit about "identifying as Jewish" then? Since when does ethnicity rely on "identification"? So, Michael Jackon can say "I am Caucasian" and Category:Caucasians is added? No, "identification" has to do with religion, and even if that sentence was grammatically the way you thought it was, she would obviously be listing her ethnicity, not her religion, as "half French" isn't a religion last time I checked. Again, this information is really trivial when it comes down to it, so what desperate need there is to risk WP:BLP problems I don't understand. 68.223.217.113 23:41, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "A bit Jewish" vs. "very Jewish" is conflicting, but the point is that Bonham Carter herself used both of those descriptions, and, these terms can mean one of several things: "a bit" or "very" amount of ethnicity, "a bit" or "very" adherence to religion, or even "a bit" or "very" in the cultural sense, i.e. her mother behaved "very" Jewish in the stereotypical sense. That's why "a bit Jewish" and "very Jewish" don't have much to do with the Guardian's statement that Bonham Carter's mother's ancestors were all Jewish converts, because that is a statement about a very specific fact, rather than "very Jewish" or "a bit Jewish" which appears to be opinions. As for "mother stresses being half-Spanish. Obviously, the mother wasn't refering the nationality here as that would make no sense." - not true. A lot of people stress that "I am American, despite my ancestors being from, etc.". Obviously, American is a nationality and not an ethnicity. The same could be true of Bonham Carter. And, whether that's the case or not, the Guardian stated that her mother's Spanish ancestors were also originally Jewish. Being "half Spanish" doesn't mean that Spanish half isn't Jewish. I don't understand this statement - "may not contradict being of Jewish descent, but it does contradict being of the Jewish ethnicity". Descent=ethnicity, doesn't it? No one said that Bonham Carter has a Jewish religious affiliation, but practicing Judaism doesn't make one Jewish, and vice versa. What does the statement "I am half French, half Spanish and Jewish" mean without a comma, then? How would this comma come about in the first place? Bonham Carter didn't write that article. She said those words and the author transcribed them and so on. I wouldn't consider the presence or lack of a single comma to be a factor. The statement "So, Michael Jackon can say "I am Caucasian" and Category:Caucasians is added?" is a straw man argument, because no one says bogus stuff like that, and, in Jackson's case, he is technically speaking of caucasian appearance.... If she "would obviously be listing her ethnicity", what's the problem? She could be saying something like half of her ancestors were from France, the other half from Spain, and they were Jewish. And in fact, that would seem to be the case. Mad Jack 23:54, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "If she "would obviously be listing her ethnicity", what's the problem?" Because it is one of a laundry list of ethnicities, and an ethnicity category indicates otherwise. As for her statement, it would translate to "half Jewish" which is a legitimate categorization and she has indicated this before. I am "half American" makes absolutely no sense except in a metaphorical way, so "half Spanish" clearly doesn't refer to nationality. For that matter, I can find no sources to suggest that Eduardo Propper de Callejon is "Jewish," which you would expect if Guardian was to be taken literally. Your "very Jewish" and "a bit Jewish" interpretation shows why these categories shouldn't exist, because whether Carter was refering to a "very Jewish personality" or a "very Jewish woman (ethnicity)" we don't know. The ambiguity spells it all. Enough. This is trivial. For the record, I'm obviously not opposed to Category:People of Jewish descent if one was to come up. 68.223.217.113 00:06, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Why are you changing that part about the Guardian's statement about her ancestors and adding "a bit Jewish"? If that's in, then her other statements - "very Jewish" and "tons of Jewish blood" have to be added as well, and that makes it a huge and ungainly mess. The Guardian's statement is a specific statement of fact and good enough. This article isn't about Eduardo Propper de Callejon being Jewish, and besides, the Guardian certainly suggests that he was of Jewish ancestry, because it says Bonham Carter's Spanish and Czech ancestors were converts from Judaism, so certainly de Callejon's Czech father was of Jewish descent (but I suppose that is all my original research - the Guardian's statement is good enough). I agree with you that these ethnicity categories should not exist, actually, but since "English Jews" exists I certainly don't see why Bonham Carter wouldn't be in it, since she has talked at length about her mother's Jewish heritage and appears to identify as Jewish (plus, she is Jewish under the traditional definition of Who is a Jew?). By ancestry, she is definitely more Jewish than, say, Henry FitzRoy, 1st Duke of Grafton was an "Anglo-French person". Mad Jack 01:06, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Why are you changing that part about the Guardian's statement about her ancestors and adding "a bit Jewish"?" Because if you're going to add that source, and exclude the ones that go into different detail, it's the only way to present it neutrally, which, of course, would include the "tons of Jewish blood" statements too. As I explained before, putting "half Spanish" and then putting a "a bit Jewish" when the Spanish is also Jewish makes absolutely no sense in context, and definitely makes no sense for her "mother reminding her." Thus, it has to be contradictory to the other source, and excluding it is POV. My suggestion would to be go back to the other sentence which just had the statement on each grandparents affliation, so not put undue weight on one source (The Guardian source). "Appears to identify as Jewish" is not good enough. As I explained, that so-called "admits to being Jewish" sentence is taken ridiculously out-of-context (grammatically and naturally). I have seen no clear statement on her religious or lack-of beliefs. That's the only place where "identification" matters. You don't *identify* with ethnicity. Even though many ethnic fully-Jewish people would never identify as being Jewish, this doesn't stop us from adding Jewish categories. So it shouldn't be the other way around too (for ethnicity, of course) - which it doesn't appear to be for Carter anyway. Again, here there's so much to take in (Austrian, Spanish, French, Czech, Russian, English) and a boatload of sources which don't make it any clearer, that simply adding Jewish categories is highly POV if you're not going to add the other laundry-list of ethnic categories too. It's so much easier to deal with nothing, than all. Our statements on whether Carter would call herself a full-blown Jew are grealy assumptuous, and I see no big deal with removing the categories (for BLP purposes, at least). I really can't see how this is such a big deal that we're getting into a revert war over it. 68.223.217.113 01:43, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Because if you're going to add that source, and exclude the ones that go into different detail" - but it's not clear at all that the other source ("a bit Jewish" meaning the Guardian was wrong) goes into different detail, and even if it does, then it's certainly contradicted by "tons of Jewish blood" and "very Jewish". According to the Guardian, all of the things you said we have to take in - "Austrian, Spanish, French, Czech" - were originally Jewish. People do identify with ethnicity, actually (Al Smith as Irish Catholic, for example, Robert De Niro as Italian, etc.). If people didn't identify with a specific ethnicity, all we would have left is Wikipedia editors who decided who was what based on their own standards and we would have a big mess. What is the "laundry-list" of other ethnic categories? Spanish and French are already included, first of all. Second of all, there's not even evidence that she has any "ethnic" Austrian or Czech or French ancestry; according to the Guardian, all of these ancestors were originally Jewish. I don't see how this is a BLP problem considering everything here comes from Bonham Carter's own statements! Eih, how far we've gone, from some anon adding in that some guy killed all the Kennedys to this, sheesh. Mad Jack 01:54, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

weird look
No mention of her looking kinda weird ya know. She always has that gothic smoki cigarettes type of look about her. Always her hair is frizzy and pretty large.
 * I believe that's a violation of NPOV... :p --TrianaC 11:13, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

She looks like Julia Sawalha. In fact the two share uncanny similarities. Helena played Saffy in AbFab during a dream sequence in Series 2.

Bellatrix Lestrange
She is playing the part of Bellatrix Lestrange in the next Harry Potter movie. originally, it was supposed to be a lady called Helen McCrory, but she got pregnant and will be really big when they film the part of the movie where she appears. The whole story is right here:. Later!!!Chili14 03:00, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Is everybody in your navy an Admiral?
Is she related to the RN officer of the same last name? Trekphiler 21:19, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

It would appear she is distantly related to Stuart Bonham Carter, see this article on the Bonham Carter family. PatGallacher 20:15, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * That's the guy. Thanks. Trekphiler 06:27, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

clothing line
IMDB has some information about her starting her own line of clothing. Does anyone know anything about this and is it significant enough to add to the article? 68.40.58.88 19:47, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Whoops, wasn't sign in. Anyway, that's ^ me. Crito2161 19:48, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You can find some info (including interviews, ordering info for personalized jeans, and promotional shots) on it here: http://www.helena-world.com/index.php?s=pantaloonies. I don't remember the exact date or anything, but Helena started it with her friend Samantha Sage, who's a swimwear designer, and the line is called Pantaloonies. I think it could be significant enough to add to the article. I mean, the article has information on how Helena and Tim's houses are connected. I think Pantaloonies could find its way in. TakaraLioness 05:10, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Helena Bonham Carter and friend, swimwear designer Samantha Sage, have two clothing lines. The first was "The Bloomin' Bloomers", which was hats and bloomers, and the second was "The Pantaloonies", which is a service that provides custimization of jeans. There is a catalogue that you can send off for by emailing Samantha Sage; you include your name and address and then it will be sent out if you commit to the service. Some of the money is then donated to charity. Here is an article which includes pictures http://www.the-lingerie-post.com/2008/05/pantaloonies-by-helena-bonham-carter-on-the-lookout/ and another article http://www.celebrityclothingline.com/brand/The_Pantaloonies_by_Helena__Bonham_Carter --Ladylovettdisdain (talk) 18:39, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

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Sister?
Does anyone know why it says her sister was born in 1916? Seems impossible...Bintelshalabiya 11:51, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I take it it means her grandmother's sister, but could be better worded. PatGallacher 12:41, 16 September 2007 (UTC) Yep, certainly not Helena's sister, she only has brothers. --Ladylovettdisdain (talk) 18:34, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Middle name
How is the her middle name pronounced? David Pro 22:17, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if Helena has a middle name. Bonham Carter is her last name. The Bonham part is pronounced how it's spelled. I'm not sure how to explain how to say it though... "Bon-um" maybe? I'm not good at explaining things like this. You may do better looking for a video interview with her. TakaraLioness 01:44, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Helena doesn't have a middle name, "Bonham Carter" is her surname, there's just no hyphen. The way it is pronounced depends on your accent, but it's usually "Bon-am" or "Bon-um", or really a mixture of the two. It's difficult to write how to pronounce it properly. --Ladylovettdisdain (talk) 18:43, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

you forgot to mention her in the movie Frankenstein with robert de niro ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.131.231.157 (talk) 20:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The article already has that listed in her filmography (the film is called Mary Shelley's Frankenstein). It has nothing to do with her name though... TakaraLioness (talk) 02:19, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Pics
Is this photo of Helena from Mary Shelley's Frankenstein? David Pro (talk) 13:31, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Difficult to say, but it looks more like "The Wings of the Dove". PatGallacher (talk) 17:07, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Where can I find pictures of Helena in Mary Shelley's Frankenstein? David Pro (talk) 14:02, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Also from which film is this photo of Helena? David Pro (talk) 14:55, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * If it's not from The Wings of the Dove (film) like somebody wrote above, it could also be from Howards End (film). Try at Reference desk/Entertainment, maybe somebody will know.--Yamanbaiia(free hugs!) 15:31, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * According to Fancast, this photo of Helena is officially from Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. David Pro (talk) 13:55, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Semi-protection
In view of persistent vandalism I have requested that this page be semi-protected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PatGallacher (talk • contribs) 19:13, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That's perfectly fine with me. It could use some protection. TakaraLioness (talk) 21:55, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Baby's name?
Anyone else think the constant additions of the baby's name qualify for one of the lamest edit wars ever? All Hallow&#39;s Wraith (talk) 20:28, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It might, especially considering how the people editing it to say that Indiana Rose is her name are totally ignoring the proof that the girl isn't named yet. I think only one source claimed Indiana Rose to be her name and it wasn't a notable source, and Helena has said more than once that the baby doesn't have a name yet. TakaraLioness (talk) 21:56, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Florence Nightingale?
How can she be a "first cousin, thrice removed" of Florence Nightingale? Florence died at the age of 90 in 1910, over fifty years before Helena was even born. There is no possible way that Helena and Florence could be first cousins... is there? kkarma (talk) 14:40, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

This is not impossible. "First cousin three times removed" means that one of Helena's great-grandparents was Florence's first cousin. However, I don't see any source for this, and this could be too trivial to be encyclopedic. PatGallacher (talk) 16:05, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

-- The link between Helena Bonham Carter and Florence Nightingale was established after looking back through various relatives on record sites, and they are distantly related. Further information: Here's the full link between Helena Bonham Carter and Florence Nightingale (it's a very distant link). Helena Bonham Carter > Raymond Bonham Carter (father) > Maurice Bonham Carter (Grandfather) > Henry Bonham Carter > Joanna Maria Smith >> Frances Coape & William Smith > Frances Nightingale (Smith) > Florence Nightingale. --Ladylovettdisdain (talk) 18:32, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Removed fan-site info and reference
This looks like it might hold some ground, and it is a cool topic for her to cover, but as it stands, it was copied directly from a fan site. The reference is the same fan site, I record this here for posterity's sake. December 2008, Bonham Carter lent her voice to a MTV domestic violence public service announcement, reciting a passage about love from the book of Corinthians in the Bible. The 60-second commercial, created by ad agency Ogilvy Advertising, features a dysfunctional couple in a domestic environment. No dialogue is heard — only accompanying music and Bonham Carter's voice reciting Love is Patient, Love is Kind from 1 Corinthians, Chapter 13, verse four. Bonham Carter recorded her vocal in a single take for the ad, which broke on December 2, 2008. The ad will air across MTV in the UK and across Europe as part of MTV's Staying Alive campaign. MTV will also make the ad available online and is considering running it in cinemas. It needs a real source and a total rewrite. ~九尾の氷狐~ (「Sumimasen!」 「Dochira samaka?」) 05:27, 14 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I found a more reliable site, modified the paragraph and readded it. User:Angelic-alyssa (talk) 19:19, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Title?
Wasn't she once referred to as Lady Helena Bonham Carter? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.16.167 (talk) 18:46, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Helena doesn't have a title, her grandmother did though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.37.84 (talk) 16:47, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Nancy
She did NOT play Nancy in Sid and Nancy. Cleo-what's-her-face did.Zakariya bin Dana (talk) 13:55, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It does not SAY she played that role, it says she auditioned for that role. Big difference. Wildhartlivie (talk) 22:41, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Awards Section?
I spent ages putting together the awards section (a while back) making sure that everything was up-to-date and all the information was correct... where's it gone? User:Angelic-alyssa (talk) 19:09, 04 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It hasn't gone anywhere, it was integrated back into the filmography table, a style that is recommended by WP:ACTOR. It is still up to date and correct. The separate table for the awards was completely redundant to the information in the filmography table and isn't really endorsed. Wildhartlivie (talk) 18:38, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh ok, thanks :) User:Angelic-alyssa (talk) 18:58, 07 June 2009 (UTC)