Talk:Helicia

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See: IPNI. This must be carefully checked because many of these species names and other taxa are not current, some synonyms, some illegitimate, some nomenclaturally wrong eg. spelling, etc.—in other words beware only some of them are currently accepted species names. ——--macropneuma 10:19, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

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"In 1790, notable pioneer botanist João de Loureiro in his Flora Cochinchinensis first formally described this genus Helicia with the Cochinchina (SE Asian) type species Helicia cochinchinensis.[1][2] Loureiro explained the Greek name "έλιξ" (élix) he chose, with the following Latin explanation "Nom. (έλιξ ſpira) a petalis ſpiraliter revolutis.",[1] literally translated to English is "Name: (helix spiral/roll) from petals' spirally revolute".[3] He referred to the petals, now called tepals, spirally revolving or simply rolling or coiling up on themselves, at anthesis (the flowering time when the anthers open).[3][4]"

It is so convoluted and wordy that it says nothing, when it could all just be a parenthetical remark, or, written simply, it could be comprehended. Including the Latin description and translating it for the reader is not of benefit in a genus article on a general encyclopedia, even one that contains as much specific information as Wikipedia, or, if it is, this sentence could be written in a way to make it useful.

"In 1790 João de Loureiro described the genus from the type species Helicia cochinchinensis, a species native to lower elevations in South China and Southeast Asia. The genus name, "έλιξ" (élix), comes from the Greek, and refers to the petals, now called tepals, spirally revolving or rolling upon themselves at anthesis (the flowering time when the anthers open)."

The link, number 4, appears to be to Flicker images. -68.107.137.178 (talk) 23:09, 27 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Damn, gotta rush off now but I think we can massage this prose better. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:13, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I modified the first paragraph. Is this simple enough while still containing the bulk of the relevant info? Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 03:14, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Much better. Is there a way to clear up that this definition of anthesis is for Proteaceae, but it is a bit different for other plants? Wikipedia often uses parenthetical definitions in a way that implies that is the primary meaning of the word. However, this rewrite takes care of my primary objections for this paragraph. I think editors should check technical information carefully against sources. -198.228.216.170 (talk) 03:35, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

I still think some prose massage is needed, but I do not think DYKs have to be perfect in prose, and that can be worked on in time. -198.228.216.170 (talk) 03:37, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I'll leave the anthesis issue for someone who actually knows their plants. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 03:38, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Since you rewrote this so cleanly, can you do the remaining paragraphs of this section? Every botanist does not have to be called notable, and the content is repetitious. Thanks for the help. -198.228.216.143 (talk) 03:49, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. I'll give it a whirl in an hour or so. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 03:58, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

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