Talk:Hell's Kitchen (American TV series) season 12

Last names
It is Wikipedia policy not to add personal details about a living person without citation. See WP:BLP. Alleged last names, hometowns, etc. all have to be cited. See, for example, The Bachelor (season 18) or America's Next Top Model (cycle 21). --Tenebrae (talk) 14:24, 14 March 2014 (UTC)


 * My thanks to the editor who found and cited a source. --Tenebrae (talk) 19:56, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * A source actually existed in the article before the names were deleted. The official Facebook page didn't disappear, for some reason the citation added a period to the end of the url which just made it look like it had disappeared. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 03:54, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Season 12 contestants are listed with last names on the Fox page. -AngusWOOF (talk) 18:30, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Long Summaries
What is the deal with telling every single second of the show in the so-called Episode Summary? Other seasons didn't do this. For instance, for challenges, just tell what it involved, which team won, and maybe the score. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.128.22.254 (talk) 21:43, 21 March 2014 (UTC)


 * The page would be boring if it said so little about each episode. If people remember relevant things from the episode, they are totally within their rights to share it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.49.77.207 (talk) 12:41, 24 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Please refer to WP:TVPLOT. I agree with the OP that it should briefly highlight the challenges, the major incidents, and the results. In Hell's Kitchen (U.S. season 8), I have added links to Fox's recaps to each episode so people can read details. Even then it can be shortened further. Ramsay's final comments were retained. -AngusWOOF (talk) 14:21, 29 March 2014 (UTC)


 * This is much better. Thanks AngusWOOF  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.128.22.254 (talk) 13:02, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

New color proposal
Throughout the years, contestants have been nominated by their teammates, but Ramsay did not call them forward for one reason or another. So I propose that the elimination chart should show this: in episode 3, Ramsay asked for six nominees, but only brought three (Simone, DeMarco, and Mike) forward, so I think the chart should point out who the other nominees were (Rochelle, Sandra, and Chris). This has happened numerous times over the years, such as season 10 where Clemenza and Brian were nominated after the seventh service, but Ramsay ignored the nominees and brought forward Patrick and Roshni instead (this would also explain why Ramsay said Clemenza was nominated seven times throughout his stay). Since light green used to be the color for Ramsay's nominees, I think that it should be the color for this new category. I will also add it to all of the past seasons where it has happened, but I don't want to do it just to have it deleted and waste my time. 24.62.8.162 (talk) 05:58, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

DeMarco nominated in first *four* episodes and still in competition?
That's fairly unique. The only other people who have been nominated by their team after the first two services and still there for episode three are Jeremy from Season 11 and Raj from 8. DeMarco has had it done *four* times.Naraht (talk) 19:46, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Episode 5
Why is Episode 5 synopsis already posted when it just started airing? Previews or not, stuff should not be posted until completion of airings. LReyome254 (talk) 00:10, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I've ask this before, and was just told to not look it up if you don't want to see the results. I guess those of us not on the East Coast are SOL  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.128.22.254 (talk) 13:08, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The only thing that was there is basically what you would find in the tv listings and not a detailed synopsis. These are routinly put in for episodes of any tv show before airing. For that matter a detailed synopsis still hasn't been written, beyond Ramsay's closing comments. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 14:06, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

note on quote and formatting
Please follow MOS:QUOTE when posting Ramsay's final comment, which means don't put the whole thing in italics! Also, unless you have a Fox recap, or sourced website that calls it a "Chef Ramsay's reason", it shouldn't be labelled as such, as he does not explain why he eliminated the person. Instead, he does a voiceover remark about the person to the viewer. -AngusWOOF (talk) 02:56, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

BoB/BoW
In season 9, I fought to make the season 9 table more liberal with the BoB/BoW thing; I succeeded, but I now think my efforts went horribly right. You can't name someone BoB/BoW solely because you like tem. There has to be a valid reason, and there are two versions: either the person was praised directly by Ramsay post-service, or the person had to have earned far more praise during service than any of his/her teammates. As it stands so far this season (as of episode 16), these are the BoBs and BoWs that the page users have agreed with:

1203 - Joy & Anton (Both BoW) 1204 - Joy & Melanie (Both BoB) 1206 - Anton (BoB) 1207 - Joy (BoB) 1208 - Rochelle (BoW), Gabriel & Richard (BoB) 1211 - Jason (BoW) 1214 - Gabriel (BoB)

This is really getting out of control, and it shouldn't have to come to banning people.50.164.187.208 (talk) 14:47, 28 June 2014 (UTC)


 * It might be good to comment in a time code for when the person was singled out for praise by Ramsay post-service. For example: BoB   The during-service ones I would get rid of as that is subjective or WP:SYNTH, unless you can find a reliable secondary source review that declares such a thing.   Also, does the BoW gets some sort of perk for that praise such as immunity or a nominating/voting privilege? -AngusWOOF (talk) 15:33, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm still not seeing any sign on how this could be done in a manner which is not open to interpretation. Unless Ramsey actually indicates it in an official way (like the season where BoW got to choose who went up), I'm favor of complete removal.Naraht (talk) 16:05, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I would agree that unless Ramsey specifically states someone as BoW/BoB it should not get included on the page as it is OR. Unfortunatly I always forget to pay close enough attention to remember when he has/has not said this. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 22:30, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Nomination Counts
Currently Scott's nomination counts tied with Elise and Autumn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.228.48.178 (talk) 11:07, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Joy's exit
Since there seems to be an edit war over how the table should list Joy's exit perhaps we should have a discussion about it. IMO what Joy did is not any different then what Simone did in episode three, or Gina in season eleven. So they should be listed the same way in the table, weather that is "QUIT" or "LEFT" I personally don't have an opinion about that part. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 05:00, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

There is no need for a new color; Joy quit mid-service, but so did Jeff from season 1 and Andrew from season 7, and until this whole thing happened, they both had the regular "LEFT" box and color. There's no reason to change it, because someone who leaves, leaves. The circumstances aren't relevant to being in the table. 12.49.77.207 (talk) 14:22, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

People leaving like Simone is a different story. Please stop changing QUIT to LEFT for Joy or you will be blocked. S_hannon434 (talk) 14:22, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Why is it a different story?? Technically Simone quit as well. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 23:43, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Quitting, is quitting, is quitting.12.49.77.207 (talk) 18:23, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree the table should be kept simple, so "LEFT" and "QUIT" should be the same. Otherwise you get into questionable OR like "left on amiable circumstances" or "left by not showing up for the elimination round" or "left because they were disqualified outside the episode" -AngusWOOF (talk) 21:47, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Since this is still being changed I was wondering if anyone else has any opinions? --Jnorton7558 (talk) 02:40, 27 July 2014 (UTC)


 * There are differences between someone leaving like Simone did, exiting as part of the normal elimination process, and Joy voluntarily leaving in mid-service, but it's not something we need to differentiate between in the table, which is just a quick and dirty summary. It's sufficient to simply say "left". We don't need to say "quit". If readers want to know why a contestant left they can read the episode summaries; that was one reason I added links to each episode at the top of the table. To be brutally honest, all we need for any contestant who leaves is "ELIM", for "eliminated", as any contestant who leaves for any reason is eliminated from the competition. For now though, "LEFT" will suffice. "QUIT" is not needed. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 09:22, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note - I've reverted this edit by an IP who seems more interested in edit-warring than joining this discussion, to restore the note that directs editors to this discussion. I've also warned the editor and directed him here. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 09:34, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi, sorry I'm late, I'm the abovementioned IP - I wasn't trying to "edit war" or anything. I'm kinda new to Wikipedia editing so apologies if I made a noob mistake. I was just trying to build consistency between this page's formatting, and those of previous seasons of the show. - Kulja Boloz

Tense and tone
Tense in the episode summaries needs to be consistent, within each summary and with other episodes. At the moment, there is a mix of present and past tense. Summaries also need to use an encyclopaedic tone, this includes not using contractions. i.e. "will not", not "won't", "does not" not "doesn't" etc. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 16:13, 13 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Even though the series is not fiction, it should be written with Historical present tense WP:TENSE as the events are unfolding as a story and other TV episode summaries are written this way. I also agree about not using contractions. Also the stuff about "this is the third time that a contestant was eliminated with (special circumstance)" should only be listed if the show emphasizes it, otherwise it goes to a footnote or should be removed for OR/SYNTH. -AngusWOOF (talk) 18:17, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Spoilers
HOW ABOUT NO DAMN SPOILERS IN THE EPISODE SUMMARIES!! YOU RUINED THE LAST SHOW FOR ME BEFORE I GOT TO WATCH IT. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.97.166.73 (talk) 02:02, 25 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Boy... You went on to the aricle so it was you own fault. The GRVO fLigh tning  (talk)	 03:21, 25 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a fan site. We treat spoilers encyclopaedically, part of that process requiring that we don't suppress what some people consider spoilers. Please see WP:SPOILER for more information. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 08:37, 25 July 2014 (UTC)


 * You shouldn't have come here before seeing the episode then. Typically, if I have to wait to see a show, I avoid anything that even MIGHT be talking about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.164.187.208 (talk) 13:44, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Colour contrast problems
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Episode 18 Reward
While they call it a "fighter jet" several times during the episode, it was everything but a jet (the propellor was clearly visible in all shots) and the specific build with the seats besides each other is never used in proper fighter aircraft. As the company providing the flights was also visible (AirCombat USA) I could verify the model of the plane as SIAI-Marchetti_SF.260, a light aircraft used mostly as trainer and courier plane with some nations equipping it for close support roles (that is firesupport for ground troops) but not as a fighter and not as a jet. --5.146.47.75 (talk) 18:14, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2018
On "8 Chefs Compete", delete the clause referring to Chef Andi being "on her period". It is never mentioned in the episode, any interviews or public discussions afterwards, and must be, at best, a very poor joke. 2600:1700:8660:17A0:143:CDCB:7658:7A5F (talk) 02:22, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ   04:35, 17 January 2018 (UTC)