Talk:Helmuth Hübener

Karl-Heinz Schnibbe & Rudolf (Rudi) Wobbe
Theese people are some of the only reamaining people who really knew Helmuth but they were in the court room with Helmuth thats what i think becauase rudi and karl helped with the crime all though i believe rudi and karl good characters By Dabney-Holt Linderman — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.238.187.98 (talk) 13:31, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

12th Article of Faith, D&C section 134
Your statement about D&C section 134 justifying Hübener's actions might be original research. Do you have a citation where someone discusses the case and offers some analysis?

I'm not convinced that Hübener truly violated the 12th Article of Faith; when a law is unjust, when a ruler is despotic, do you owe your allegiance regardless, because of what the 12th Article of Faith says? To take the point to absurdity, if there were any LDS Church members who were guards at the concentration camps, were they obligated as a matter of faith to obey the orders given them?

The reason I added that reference is that the 12th Article of Faith comes up in discussions of Hübener's actions, and is discussed at length in Thomas Roger's play about Hübener. Pfagerburg 21:55, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I have added a [citation needed] tag to the statement regarding Doctrine & Covenants section 134. It's not that I disagree with the claim, it's that it probably fails the original research test.  If someone can find a reference where this claim is stated, then we add the reference.  Otherwise, the claim has to go.


 * While it may seem obvious to some parties that Hübener was justified by various LDS scriptures or teachings, my understanding of WP:NOR is basically, "you can't say it in this article, unless you're quoting or paraphrasing another source that said it." So we need a cite.


 * And we might need a cite on my edit relating to the 12th Article of Faith, as well. Comments are invited. Pfagerburg 14:59, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't think AOF 12 was ever taken absolutely. See this: http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=0&sourceId=5eb1fd758096b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD The subject is addressed briefly in this talk given several years later by the same Mormon leader http://www.ldsinfobase.net/liberty/DHO_citizenship.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cedricthecentaur (talk • contribs) 10:26, 29 May 2010 (UTC)


 * The Article of faith reference and Doctrine and Covenants reference need to go and stay out, until a scholarly work is done on the matter. the AoF reference and D&C reference seem an editor own personal view.


 * Also, it is not clear from Hubners letter to the friend that Hubner believed his actions were right, it is only clear that Hubner believed God would be a just judge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rtdem (talk • contribs) 19:32, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Great information!
I have never heard of this person before. However, the article needs to have some of the language made a little more neutral and opinions taken out. (I made a few changes along those lines.) Steve Dufour 01:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

awsome!
this is a great source of information!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ihop pancake master (talk • contribs) 23:29, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Kristallnacht, etc.
I removed the translation of Kristallnacht ("night of broken glass") because it is, after all, wrong. The Nazis called the event Kristallnacht – actually Reichskristallnacht – to make it sound like something glorious, sparkling with "crystal", as it were. I don't think we need the bogus non-translation. The reference is, after all, linked to the article about it, and therefore anyone who actually hasn't heard of it can read about it with one mouse click.

I have also restored the umlaut in Düwer's name, unaccountably removed by some ignoramus. Kelisi (talk) 19:09, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Kristallnacht was called "Reichskristallnacht" only sardonically as an indictment of the event and of the Nazis. The Nazis themselves referred to it only as the November Pogrom "Novemberpogrome". It was never called "Night of Broken Glass" or "Crystal Night" to make it sound glorious. The prefix "Reich" was added by some simply as a condemnation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.99.156.73 (talk) 20:15, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

How was he executed?
One section of this articles says he was executed by guillotine, a later one says he was shot. And thent he photo in the article shows the hanging room at Plotzensee prison. Which is correct? (From other sources, I believe he was actually guillotined.) Katya (talk) 13:56, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why it's showing that I wrote the previous comment, when it was actually User:T-bonham. Regardless, When Truth Was Treason includes a copy of the execution report on p. 241, which states that he was guillotined. Katya (talk) 13:59, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, he was actually guillotined. It mentions it everywhere, and one of the members of his church Ward wanted to shoot him, so that's probably where you got that theory from. But no, he was actually guillotined. Jediduck (talk) 04:44, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

In my opinion and many other people's opinions, I believe he was guillotined. Like you said, it states that he was guillotined.

Three Against Hitler?
The book "Three Against Hitler" deals largely with most of the material in this article. One of the book's co-authors is Rudolf Wobbe, one of the three boys. Does the book deserve mention in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.18.238.19 (talk) 04:07, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

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Nazi name
Wikipedia does not use the words "national-socialists" to refer to Nazis outside of naming the party itself, we just say Nazi's which is the common name. Please stop edit warring about this.★Trekker (talk) 23:25, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * is this any link to wiki policy that you can provide where it definitively says this? --1.152.104.94 (talk) 23:30, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * also i don't think "national-socialist" needs the - in between the words. --1.152.104.94 (talk) 23:30, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Because Wikipedia always uses common name to refer to things. Not as many people would know what "nationalist-socialist" is as oposed to "nazi" so using that description is pointless and disruptive.★Trekker (talk) 23:31, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * couldn't I hyperlink it to the page national socialist and wouldn't that solve any problem on people not knowing? They could click the link.--1.152.104.94 (talk) 23:33, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * But people want to read articles first and foremost, they shouldn't make to click on something to understand it or get the context.★Trekker (talk) 23:36, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * hmmm... --1.152.104.94 (talk) 23:37, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm skeptical. But this is a minor point isn't it? If you want it to be anti-nazi I don't see what harm that does me--1.152.104.94 (talk) 23:39, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I just want standards to be followed and Wikipedia to be readable.★Trekker (talk) 23:42, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

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-- Marchjuly (talk) 09:58, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I copied the rationale for Schnibbe, because I believe it also applies to Hübener. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 18:33, 3 December 2018 (UTC)