Talk:Hemşince

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undid revert to correct factual mistake...check the referenced publicationCihsai (talk) 11:23, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The cited reference in fact makes it clear that this is to be considered an Armenian dialect. Whether one wishes to consider these folks Turks (as, legally, they would be) or something else, the language itself is a derivative of Armenian. The examples in the cited reference are recognizably Armenian to anyone who can speak Armenian. Xenophon777 (talk) 15:45, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * you miss the point...referenced article discusses the language spoken not in Hemşin region (Hemşin Çamlıhemşin etc) but in the so called Hopa Hemşin...in the Artvin provinceCihsai (talk) 17:54, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I've restored to the original version by Behemoth. This article is about the Turkish dialect. For the Armenian dialect, please see Homshetsi. Khoikhoi 07:58, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The article includes only one reference. This reference (pdf document linked to the article) is about a language Homshetsma spoken in some villages around Hopa region. There is not a single instance of the mention of a term "Hemşince" in that reference. Regarding the language spoken in Hemşin, the only statement I can see is "western Hemshinli, who live in the Turkish province of Rize and dispersed elsewhere in Turkey, speak Turkish, and are Sunni Muslim. (This group, which refers to itself as hemshinli, is well-described in two books by Uwe Bläsing (1992, 1995) and in Benninghaus1989.)"The referenced Blaesing states "They themselves refer to this dialect as Homshetsma or, in Turkish, Hemsince" as he refers to people around Hopa in another publication.Therefore the article is clearly about the language spoken not in Hemşin but elswhere.If the author of the article wishes to elobarate on the "Hemşin ağzı", which is more a way of pronounciation in Hemşin he should write the article and provide references accordingly.With this justification ı undo the latest revertCihsai (talk) 11:55, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Firstly, consider adding fact tags for what specific sentences in this article that you dispute. Do you dispute the existence of this entire article? The page also referenced this website as well, but the link was removed. Khoikhoi 19:32, 7 August 2008 (UTC) The name of the article is “Hemşince” One would expect that the text gives sourced info about this term. The source given in the Article does not include the term Hemşince at all This source is about a language/dialect (Homshetsma)spoken in the Artvin provinz of Turkey (hopa). NOT in Hemşin as the article text suggest Placing fact tags in this rather messy situation did and does not seem to me the proper approach. I have tried to change the text to cope with the source The tiltle “Hemşince” ı have not changed because it is the the turkish word for Homshetsma.I could and should have added a source to that effect…. I have mentioned and quoted that source in my previous discussion entry I would appreciate to hear your confirmation that my approach was correct so that the mess will be rectified.In such case I will insert the source (Hemşince equals Homshetsma) into the articleCihsai (talk) 21:38, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Problem is as follows:
 * I could not see any link within the article but have opened the site "hemsinli.com" using the adress . Nice site.But I could not see any reference to this topicCihsai (talk) 21:48, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No news from Khoikhoi yet...I interprete "silence implies consent"..In my talkpage Khoikhoi had informed me that the users who had drafted the article originally were approached to indicate sources...no news from them as well.So, I am revising the article again but this time all statements are specifically sourced Cihsai (talk) 14:45, 18 August 2008 (UTC)