Talk:Henry Cavill/Archive 1

Neutrality
This article reads like a promotional biography and is poorly sourced. I've tagged it Template:BLPsources for the time being. But we may have to strike several statements. TheArcologist 04:45, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Bad Grammar
studied Egyptology?? Wouldn't that be studying the study of Egypt? Just a thought. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.37.203 (talk) 13:43, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

No, Egyptology is correct! (Lucy90)(talk) 15:51, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Nationality?
English isn't a valid nationality it should be British. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.195.127.135 (talk) 21:53, 20 April 2011 (UTC) Actually, "British" is his citizenship. He may or may not hold English nationality depending on where he is from. (And he actually isn't from Jersey, his family moved there from England). 86.183.201.13 (talk)


 * Says who? 81.178.251.40 (talk) 01:22, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Is he English? He has been tagged as English, even though he is from Jersey. Does he have English ancestry? If so shouldn't he be tagged jersey actors of English origin or something similar? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.73.132.210 (talk) 23:06, 19 October 2011 (UTC)


 * As the first person said, English is not a nationality. Good grief people! (Lucy90) (talk) 15:49, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't think the question of 'English' or 'British' is relevant, as since he was born in Jersey of Jersey parents he is neither. Jersey (in common with all the Channel Islands) is not part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland. It is an entirely separate entity only associated with the British Crown as the last vestige of the Dukedom of Normandy. So his nationality is 'Bailiwick of Jersey' unless he has applied for, and been granted, British Citizenship.Ds1994 (talk) 21:59, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes Jersey is not part of the UK but it still comes under UK Nationality laws meaning people born in the crown dependencies of Jersey Guernsey and the Isle of Man are British citizens and have British passports as  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:42BB:7200:B023:83B1:5F0B:7319 (talk) 00:08, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Point of law. The United Kingdom government recognises English as a nationality. It is one of the three nations making up Great Britain, the other two being Scotland and Wales.86.183.201.13 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:14, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

There is this biography page where he is interviewed, where it states his mother is a native of Jersey but his dad isn’t, it doesn’t say where his dad is from but I would assume England considering he says he had a typical English upbringing and Cavill is also an English surname (Not that his surname being English is a definite reason just pointing it out). LINK - http://henrycavill.org/en/hc/biography. He also refers to himself as a Brit when he is interviewed on the Jay Leno show. Link - http://henrycavill.org/en/media-gallery/images/events/item/136-henry-cavill-at — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.128.145.63 (talk) 13:27, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Point of law. British is a nationality and is legal recognised as one by international and regional organisations, like the UN and EU. It's just the regions within the UK, also kept their sense of nation-hood when the Union was formed. (Erzan) (talk) 09:49, 10 May 2013 (UTC)


 * You are trying to sound authoritative about something you clearly understand very poorly. England, Scotland and Wales are not "regions" and never have been. They are countries and nations which operate as parts of a political union. By way of comparison, France and Germany are all parts of a political union called the European Union, but no one would argue that they are regions rather than countries and that French and German are not nationalities.Shiresman (talk) 20:23, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


 * No need to be rude. In geography a region is a land (Scotland) part of a larger whole (UK) and in Politics a region is a smaller administrative subdivision (Wales) of a larger state (UK). As a result of this the EU calls England, Scotland, Wales and Northern as regions. Because they're lands that make up a larger whole, the UK. Scotland can still be called a region and a country or nation. The words are not exclusive. The UK governance is comparable to Spain, where it has devolved regions and a less centralised country. But it's still shy of the federalisation in Germany or the USA. The 50 states in the USA and the 16 states in Germany, are regions just like Scotland and Wales are. Comparing Scotland and Wales in the UK, to France and Germany in the EU is not an exact comparison. Because the EU is not yet a a recognised sovereign-state with a centralised government, and the concept of European nationality barely exists. The British people are still a nationality too and it has been for 300 years. I don't see the issue here, people in Scotland call themselves Scottish and British. Anyway, nothing I typed cannot be backed up by academic sources, let alone public opinion. Erzan (talk) 09:46, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm English. Trust me, its a country not a region. Its part of the UK, which makes me a British citizen. Please don't tell the Scots that they are British and NOT Scottish we really don't need that sort of grief.. 92.23.145.26 (talk) 19:46, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Interestingly, there is a town in East Macedonia-Thrace in Greece called Kavyli and there is also a Greek surname, Kavilis/Kavillis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.120.109.156 (talk) 01:08, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Nothing to do with that. Read here http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Cavill.Nortmannus (talk) 21:33, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Cavill is both English and a Jerseyman (one of the three demonyms of Jersey – the others being 'Islander' and 'Jerseywoman'). He was born on the island of Jersey and was educated there for a time. He and his family moved to England where he was further educated. Ultimately it makes no difference where he was born. If Cavill feels he is English due to being raised and educated partly in England and living there for what is now probably three quarters of his life, then he is English; if he feels he is an Islander due to being born there, then he is an Islander. Take a look at Taron Egerton, born in England to English parents but is a Welsh actor – he considers himself Welsh due to being raised in Wales and being a fluent Welsh speaker and has said he is Welsh "through and through". So it makes no real difference whether Cavill is labelled as English or an Islander on Wikipedia, unless someone can find a source where he states which he identifies as! But let's not get bogged down, no one really cares and it's hardly important to anyone other than Cavill. To cover all bases, why not say he is "a Jersey-born English actor"? – Dyolf87 (talk) 16:15, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

It seems to me that the consensus of this discussion is/was that since he calls himself English we should respect that and the lead should say English. I only bring this up because the Article has recently seen many quick succession edits about his nationality. This is possibly a breach of policy and we should discuss it here rather than continuing to make quick-fire edits about it. Please discuss here if you think that the consensus should change, but otherwise, in my view, the Article ought to say English. Jtrrs0 (talk) 16:26, 9 March 2021 (UTC)


 * If that's what he himself says, then I agree.Halbared (talk) 21:25, 23 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I disagree with the idea that there's a consensus on Cavill's nationality here It is true that in interviews he has described himself as both "from England" on one occasion, but he also has described himself as "a Brit"  In all but the last one, he's talking to Americans on US TV, so saying "I'm Jersey-born" or "from Jersey" would probably lead to confusion as shown in the first link., because to Americans, "Jersey" means "New Jersey" - talk show interviews aren't generally the place to describe confusing geopolitics. Since he uses both, "British" is a more accurate term, as British includes both English and Jersey identities. The current lead ignores one part of his national identity. Jèrriais janne (talk) 21:58, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Cavil's nationality is covered in the info box, his identity/ethnicity is covered by himself, “Ah. Yeah, it is Plymouth, England. Good. I always get the two mixed up despite the fact that I’m English.” https://www.mensjournal.com/entertainment/henry-cavill-cover-story-the-man-of-steel-takes-on-mission-impossible/ Halbared (talk) 19:23, 24 July 2021 (UTC)


 * His identity is markedly not clear and definitely cannot be best summed up with the word "English". A number of sources contain him calling himself British (as I have linked in the opening paragraph). He also supports Jersey Rugby Club and calls Jersey his "home", i.e. his home is not England, it's Jersey. Jèrriais janne (talk) 13:14, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Henry himself marks out his cultural identity, as well as being the Englishman being his USP, his ethnicity is covered in the lede, his nationality and birthplace in the info box, there's no need to include 'British' when his specificity is stated by himself. Where he calls home noes not exclude his identity, it's clear from Henry's own words what he considers himself to be.Halbared (talk) 13:30, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

I think that we may perhaps be taking some things out of proportion. First, it makes very little difference. To my mind none of Englis, Jerseyman, or British are not inaccurate and this discussion seems to be degenerating into what he identifies most as. I admit I think this is crucial in determining cases where there is no clear answer if the person has made a statement about it. In this case, he simply. seems to be casually saying the is "English" or a "Brit"; he hasn't made a considered declaration based on a conscious decision and I think to speculate on which one based on a such a limited set of interviews where he isn't really talking about his identity but making an off-handed comment is pointless. I suggest we simply say he is British. It is accurate and "Jersey-born English" reads very awkwardly to my eyes. Jtrrs0 (talk) 18:28, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for joing the chat, I think Jersey-born English is a nice compromise as it reflects aspects of his identity which is part of Henry's brand and also how he represents himself, which is an important aspect of other British actors such as Christian Bale, Taron Edgerton etc. Halbared 19:09, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree that it should just be returned to "British". "Jersey-born English" is a clunky compromise (but a hundred times better than just English). Jèrriais janne (talk) 22:08, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Considering the lack of clear lack of consensus on the issue of Cavill's national identity. In line with Wikipedia policy WP:NOCON and in an effort to avoid continued edit warring (WP:EDITWAR): "In discussions of proposals to add, modify, or remove material in articles, a lack of consensus commonly results in retaining the version of the article as it was prior to the proposal or bold edit. However, for contentious matters related to living people, a lack of consensus often results in the removal of the contentious matter, regardless of whether the proposal was to add, modify, or remove it."

I have reverted the article opening to the 'original' form (i.e. the form of before the 30 September, when this discussion was most recently reignited, so to speak). Do not change the article form again unless consensus is achieved. Jèrriais janne (talk) 22:24, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Engagement
I don't understand why his engagement information keeps getting deleted. The information is from a credible source and was also confirmed on his fiancée's official page. Hardimage (talk) 05:50, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I suspect it's someone who wishes he wasn't engaged. Similar action has occurred over time with Chad Michael Murray. I've reported it at WP:ANI. --Ebyabe (talk) 13:52, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Actually, those credible sources have only quoted the "fiancée's" statement from her official website about being proposed to by Henry Cavill. It is not from both sides. Who knows if this is true? Lucy90 (talk) 15:55, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

I think we should probaly included the recent women has been connectd to: Kaley Cuoco from Big Bang Theory, and Gina Carano User:McChanz2
 * Why? He's either engaged or he is not. If he is and reliable sources can be found to support it, it can be added to the article. Any other women to whom he may be "connected" (a dubious term in itself) is irrelevant. This is an encyclopaedia, not a gossip magazine. – Dyolf87 (talk) 05:09, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Filmography: Main Role?
Maybe it's being used in a context I don't understand, but wouldn't "Major role" be better for these films? From what I'm seeing, he isn't the "main role" in any of the films (save Man of Steel). However, I wanted to discuss it here first before making changes. - SudoGhost 04:23, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Profile
Hello, I found a new profile pic for Henry Cavill at SDCC 2016. May I have permission to change the picture? SoufyanH (talk) 16:36, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

[Personal Life] Henry Cavill is still with Tara King
Henry Cavill is still with Tara, the date that the Daily Mail posted that article about him splitting up with his girlfriend was the same day he was running the Durrell Challenge alongside her as seen in this article: http://www.henrycavillnews.com/2016/05/the-durrell-challenge-interviews-pics.html HenryCavillNews also stated in the article that they were still together on that day. So, maybe delete the part about them splitting up until further proof? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zafire94 (talk • contribs) 11:04, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

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