Talk:Henry Herbert, 7th Earl of Carnarvon

Rumours?
Any reason why certain widespead rumours are not included in this article? -- Ralphbk (talk) 07:52, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


 * WP:Verifiability —Tamfang (talk) 06:39, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Verifiability? There is plenty of it in the above throneout link! 1812ahill (talk) 13:48, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Plenty of speculation, anyway. —Tamfang (talk) 01:26, 6 June 2009 (UTC)


 * "Verifiability" doesn't mean only talking about ideas that can be established to be true. It means only talking about ideas that can be established to be talked about. If it meant only talking about ideas that can be established to be true, then there would be no articles on the subject of God. -- Oliver P. (talk) 20:03, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

It "wouldn't do" to talk of Royal misdemeanours at the very top. That's why. Fletcherbrian (talk) 15:45, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

I think the rumours that he had an affair with the Queen and is the father of Andrew are important and should be included. There are widely reported and widely reference-able. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.192.33.11 (talk) 01:15, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

The rumors are not widely reported in reliable sources--tabloids and gossip rags don't count. In fact, I can't find ANY sources qualifying as reliable that take the rumors seriously. Given that, and WP:BLP, why should they be included? (Porchester's dead, but neither the Queen nor Andrew is, and BLP covers them both.) If somebody would like to suggest reliable sources, suggest away, but until then, the rumors need to stay out. Biblioteqa (talk) 16:37, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

What is not rumoured but real is that in 1988/9, as Lord Carnarvon, he plunged the Queen into some considerable controversy in Horse Racing Circles. In 1981 having sold the Queen's best racefilly (of that time), Henry Porchester, with the proceeds, purchased the Racing Stables at West Ilsley, which employed Dick Hern as its trainer. By then Hern had trained 4 Classic winners for The Queen. In 1985 Hern suffered a hunting accident and became a paraplegic. He continued training but in June 1988 suffered an episode with his heart and was operated on. Without visiting Hern, Carnarvon took it upon himself to 'sack' Hern and replace him with his godson William Hastings-Bass (later Lord Huntingdon). Palmerston's quote on the removal of Pitt, The Younger by Addington is apt....' Pitt (Hern) is to Addington (Hastings-Bass), as London is to Paddington'. Hern, his wife and many others fought this decision and Carnarvon's decision was partially overruled. The Press did not know about this until about March of 1989 but when the storv came out that The Queen (through Carnarvon, her Racing Manager) had kicked a man when he was down there was uproar. The opinion expressed at the time was if The Queen had winner at Royal Ascot it would be met with silence or even booing. An ironic part of this was that in 1989 Hern trained (from West Ilsley) the winner of both the 2000G and the Derby with a horse called Nashwan who just happened to be a daughter of the racefilly Carnarvon had sold (that started this sorry tale). Hern was cheered to the rafters. The Queen had been trying to win the Derby for the whole of her reign, thankfully the Queen survived this debacle. Victor Middlesex2 (talk) 15:22, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Wallop

 * Like his father, Carnarvon (then known as Lord Porchester) also fell in love with an Anglo-American, Jean Margaret Wallop of Big Horn, Wyoming. The Wallop family were also members of the English nobility from the South East of England.

Is she a descendant of the "rancher earl"? —Tamfang (talk) 17:51, 9 September 2014 (UTC)


 * The Wallop family were also members of the English nobility not far from the Earls of Carnarvon. What does 'not far' mean? Valetude (talk) 14:30, 12 November 2019 (UTC)