Talk:Henry Holland, 3rd Duke of Exeter

Relationship between and Henry Holland, 3rd Duke of Exeter, and Robert Holland, 'Bastard of Exeter'
This question is for the contributor Agricolae. First, thanks for expanding the title in the citation of Todd A. Farmerie's article in the previous sentence, which makes the pertinence of the article to this Wikipedia entry much clearer.

Second, you removed my sentence "In a posting to the Internet newsgroup soc.genealogy.medieval dated 14 June 2009, Farmerie cites definitive evidence that Sir Robert Holland was actually Henry's half-brother." In your explanation for the deletion, you wrote "remove unpublished material - for a biography of Henry it is sufficient to refute the claim that he is the father, without providing the undocumented correct solution."

If you agree that the identification of Sir Robert Holland as Henry's half-brother is in itself sufficiently noteworthy to be mentioned in this context, then it may be mentioned that it appears in a published source, namely Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 3rd ed. (Baltimore, 2004), pp. 299-301. While I have always regarded Richardson's claim as persuasive if not absolutely decisive, it drew objections from some quarters; and the fact that he afterwards stated that his conclusions were influenced by some of my own work has made me shy away from engaging in a controversy in which I might be viewed as having a vested interest. As it happens, the identification in Farmerie's soc.genealogy.medieval posting of 14 June 2009 vindicates Richardson's 2004 theory, so for the present purposes the criticism of Richardson's work is moot, and there seems to be no reason why it should not be cited. But I will leave the matter to your judgement. Thanks.

John Blythe Dobson (talk) 17:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually in Richardson's book, Robert Holland is listed as the illegitimate child of John Holland, the 2nd Duke, not Henry, the 3rd Duke. And that can be seen online Google eBook. A rootsweb forum or any other self-published tree is not reliable and does not have proof to back this claim up. Those kind of sources are frowned upon on Wikipedia. I also fail to see a son being named under Henry Holland, 3rd Duke of Exeter. Where is this claim coming from? According to Richardson and even Anne of York's page states that they had one daughter; no Thomas is listed. This is why there was an issue with property. Therefore I am taking out "Thomas Holland (1461)." -- Lady Meg (talk) 21:16, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Title "3rd Duke"?
Please see the discussion on the Duke of Exeter talk page about whether the description of Henry Holland as "3rd Duke of Exeter" is correct. Mike Elston (talk) 15:50, 13 July 2014 (UTC)