Talk:Henry Luce/Archives/2014

Expansion
Henry Luce is a publishing genuis, there at least 2 full scale biographies available, which I haven't read, but I'm sure someone here has, and to those of you expand this article, and wikify it.


 * One such biography can be seen on PBS's American Masters series (just caught the end of it; see details at: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/luce_h.html ) Michael (talk|contrib) 09:42, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you Michael for the third party reference. I added it to support the text. ✅  Geraldshields11 (talk) 19:04, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Editor
"The two continued to work together at Yale, with Hadden as chairman and Luce as managing editor of The New York Times." I assume this is a piece of vandalism--surely Luce was managing editor of the Yale Daily News? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.248.248.215 (talk) 01:42, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Dear fellow editor, Do we have a third party or second party source? yet. Geraldshields11 (talk) 19:08, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

brooklynmuseum.org external link
This link: Luce Center for American Art at the Brooklyn Museum - Visable Storage and Study Center was added to the article by the site owner. In keeping with our guidelines could regular editors of this article check out the link and add it back if you think it appropriate. Thanks. -- Siobhan Hansa 00:09, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It is valid, so please keep. ✅ Geraldshields11 (talk) 18:19, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Blue Network Note
is a stupid idiot

Actually, Time Inc. did buy a minority stake in the Blue Network shortly after it was sold by RCA to Edward J. Noble. It was a 12.5% stake. Time sold the minority share back a few years later. For further details, see Blue Network Eric O. Costello 21:00, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Dear Eric O. Costello, The sub section has a discussion of the ownership but I do not think the issue should be discussed in this article but in the Time Inc. article because Luce was not the owner of the stock but the other corporation was.  Thanks for raising the issue.


 * Also, I struck out some vandalism in this talk page section. Geraldshields11 (talk) 18:48, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

A favor to "the Beaver"?
Has someone been watching "Leave it to Beaver" too often of late? Or is this actually an encyclopedia-worthy expression for Lord Beaverbrook? --Christofurio 01:27, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

"As a favor to the Beaver, TIME in 1956 found a minor job in its picture department for Lady Jeanne."
 * Dear Christofurio, You are correct in removing this text. Thank you for the patrol. It seems to not be vandalism, just a very eager editor, but definitely not encyclopedic and has no third-party source. ✅ Geraldshields11 (talk) 18:36, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Mepkin Abbey
Henry and Clare Booth Luce, in 1936, bought Mepkin Plantation, a 3200 acre rice plantation founded in 1681 near Charleston, S.C. They subsequently gave the plantation to the Cistercian (Trappist) order. The order established an abbey there, calling it Mepkin Abbey, and it is still in business today. Moreover, Mr and Mrs Luce are buried in a rose garden there. There must be a fascinating story behind these facts, and it ought to be told, at least briefly, in this article. Unfortunately I am not the person to tell it. All I know about the matter is that I have seen the rose garden, and the graves. Jm546 (talk) 03:50, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Dear Jm546, another editor added the text. ✅ Geraldshields11 (talk) 18:23, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

"Super-elite" secret society?
"Super-elite" secret society? Seriously? Is that part of the "double secret probation" code? What is the difference between a "super" secret society and a "super-elite" secret society, or for that matter a "super" secret society and a secret society? 173.69.176.237 (talk) 15:44, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I htink "elite secret society" is probably sufficient. The "super" modified "elite". Whether it's super elite or merely elite isn't an important distinction.   Will Beback    talk    19:21, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I can understand that, but I wonder if a secret society by its very nature is already "elite." In other words, isn't it redundant to describe a secret society as "elite?" 98.117.207.115 (talk) 17:03, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * "Elite" would indicate that it draws its membership exclusively from the upper class. 75.76.213.106 (talk) 01:15, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I understand it's fun to be snarky behind the computer screen, but yes S&B is a super-elite society. Take Yale's Scroll and Key as an example of an elite secret society. They are people who will be very successful so by defnition are elite. However, they will spend most of their lives working in a SYSTEM dominated by people of the status of Skull and Bones. Thus making S&B a super-elite society. As a matter of fact I believe there is proof of this in Diana Peterfreund's apologist book about Skull and Bones that is a total whitewash. Diana is a member of Scroll and Key. Get it? Yes it is redundant until you actually look at it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.243.178.46 (talk) 20:27, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I think it is best to say an ‘’elite society’’ because it would make those, who just went to Harvard instead of Yale, jealous. But, all kidding aside, style and removal of peacock words suggest Wikipedia stick to NPOV and say ‘’elite’’ and leave the judgmental opinion for the drama llama. ✅ Geraldshields11 (talk) 18:28, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Another small point of notoriety
Henry Luce is mentioned in the lyrics of Neil Diamond's track "Done Too Soon." Cyjon007 (talk) 02:46, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Dear Cyjon007, We could create an In Popular Culture subsection and mention that issues but we need a NPOV third party source or a good second party source. yet. Geraldshields11 (talk) 18:32, 19 June 2014 (UTC)