Talk:Henry Taylor (swimmer)

HMS St Vincent
I know the source says that HMS St Vincent was sunk at Jutland, but as the ship's own article makes categorically clear, St Vincent was not sunk at this battle nor anywhere else. I strongly suggest that this information is modified to indicate that the story is untrue.--Jackyd101 (talk) 05:09, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I understand what you mean. I thought perhaps it was the wrong ship, but it took part in the Battle of Jutland. We have a source saying the ship was sunk but other sources saying it didn't. I thought it was possible the writers who said his ship was sunk were confused between other St Vincent class ships, but none were sunk at Jutland according to battleships-cruisers.co.uk (don't know if it's a reliable source, but it seems ok). It seems possible that the crew had to abandon ship but it was later retrieved. I'm not happy with that much conjecture, but instead of saying the ship was sunk, I've changed it to the crew abandoned ship. Will this be enough? Nev1 (talk) 11:23, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not intending any action personally so I don't know about enough, but I can categorically state, based on a dozen book sources, that HMS St Vincent was not sunk during the battle. I also have not ever heard of the crew abandoning ship and can honestly see no reason why they should have done so during the battle (St Vincent was not seriously damaged). I can only conclude that the event is either entirely invented by a journalist, Taylor was on another ship that sank at the battle, or Taylor went swimming on his own, out of choice, during the battle (which would be very unusual but not entirely beyond the realm of probability). I'm afraid I really have no idea what the origin of the story is, I can only tell you that as represented in the sources it is definately not true.--Jackyd101 (talk) 01:20, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * My personal favourite is he took a dip in the middle of the battle, perhaps because of a strict training regime ;-) It's looking like a urban nautical legend which is a shame because it's a nice story. I wonder what the real reason is for his change of ships, assuming that bit's true. I haven't got any sources saying the ship didn't sink but do you? With a source saying the ship wasn't sunk or the crew forced to abandon ship we can say that the story is probably a myth. Now seems as good a time as any to set the record straight.
 * I'm glad I didn't use the bit about Taylor in the war for the DYK hook. Nev1 (talk) 01:36, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't feel bad about it, I was pretty surprised to see that the BBC had made a mistake like that. Although I do have sources stating categorically that HMS St Vincent was not sunk at Jutland, they are still boxed up after I moved house last year and are inaccessible at the moment. I do however have

Which lists HMS St Vincent as present at the battle on p. 195 but makes no mention of her being sunk (as is the case with HMS Queen Mary for example). Hope this is good enough for the time being. It is a shame, because that is a really nice story and I'd be fascinated to get to the bottom of it. Regards--Jackyd101 (talk) 12:06, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Change made, well this article is now probably the most accurate online account of Henry Taylor. Thanks for your help. Nev1 (talk) 13:27, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. I made a slight change myself too. Well done on the article, its a nicely written piece.--Jackyd101 (talk) 17:20, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

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