Talk:Here Come the Nice/GA1

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 08:50, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Hopefully you can respond in a timely manner, I'll start reviewing today either way --K. Peake 08:50, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

 * The Small Faces → Small Faces in the infobox, as that is what they are really known as
 * Psychedelic pop genre is unsourced?
 * The sourcing is fine, but write it out in the comp and recording section while moving the ref there instead. --K. Peake 21:40, 24 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Replace hlist with bullet points instead
 * Identify the producers by their full names per Template:Infobox song
 * "is a song released by English group" → "is a song by English rock band" with the target
 * "it was first released as a single on 2 June 1967 through" → "it was released as a single on 2 June 1967, through" with the target
 * "which was their debut" → "which was the band's debut" though this is not sourced properly in the body, as you did mention about the debut but did not properly reference this song being it
 * "was also their first promoted" → "was their first promoted"
 * "who had released..." not notable for the lead
 * "As a result the single managed to reach number twelve in" → "The song reached number 12 on" per MOS:NUM and this should be the last sentence of this para
 * "It marks a distinct turning point for the Small Faces career; it is their..." → "It marked a distinct turning point for Small Faces' career, being their..." but this sentence is not sourced properly in the body
 * "The subject regarding" → "The song's subject regarding"
 * Add a sentence after the above about the critical reception of the song
 * Change "mostly good" to "mostly positive". --K. Peake 21:40, 24 December 2020 (UTC)


 * "managing to chart in the UK." maybe add the UK Singles Chart position here, something like "managing to chart at number 12 on the UK Singles Chart." maybe?
 * "for its' distinct outro," → "for its distinct outro,"
 * "similar to how they would" → "similar to how the band would" but this part of the sentence is not backed up anywhere in the body?
 * "one of Small Faces" → "one of Small Faces'"
 * "recordings, and, although it" → "recordings and, although it"
 * "the top-ten of the UK singles chart it ultimately led the Small Faces" → "the top 10 in the United Kingdom, the song ultimately led the band"
 * The bit about psychedelic songs throughout their career is not backed up and target psychedelic to Psychedelic music
 * "the single was eventually included on the US-only album" → "the song was eventually included on the United States-only album,"
 * "ten months after the single," → "ten months afterward,"
 * "shortly thereafter." → "in 1968."

Background

 * Retitle to Background and development
 * I do not think the first para is notable for this article so I am not going to look at its writing style in detail, though I may do if you can explain why it should remain
 * "had begun changing as well,[16][17] and the group's" → "had started changing,[16][17] and Small Faces'"
 * "on 11 May 1966 (the same day their debut album was released)." → "on 11 May 1966, the same day as the release of their debut studio album Small Faces."
 * "(who regularly visited the band[17])" → "a regular visitor to the band,[17]"
 * "visited the band at" → "visited Small Faces at"
 * "in Pimlico following a meeting" → "in Pimlico, following a meeting"
 * "There, Epstein passed" → "At the residence, Epstein passed"
 * "bad trip on the drug and eventually the group," → "bad trip under the drug and eventually Small Faces,"
 * "where he took a train" → "where he went on a train"
 * "Although they got" → "Although they had"
 * "for the Small Faces music." → "for the band's music."
 * "The group had begun" → "Small Faces had begun"
 * Target psychedelic to psychedelic
 * "during this time, the began to grow bitter with their label" → "during the composing time, they began to grow bitter with their record label" with the wikilink
 * "who they felt" → "who the band felt"
 * "Because although he" → "The reason was because although he"
 * "the group failed to" → "Small Faces failed to"
 * Target singles to Single (music)
 * "when the group heard" → "when the band heard"
 * Target demo to Demo (music)
 * "to buy the Small Faces contract" → "to buy Small Faces' contract"
 * "on 11 February in a New Musical Express article." → "on 11 February 1967 in a New Musical Express article." with the target
 * "was released as" → "was released with"
 * "which they made" → "that they made"
 * Mention the stalled position was on the UK Singles Chart
 * You should wikilink the chart here, as that is the first mention in the body. --K. Peake 21:40, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Composition and recording

 * "The title of the song comes" → "The title "Here Come the Nice" comes"
 * "1965, when he," → "1965 when he,"
 * "hung out at" → "spent time together at" since the former is not encyclopaedic
 * "and that Buckley" → "and he also says that Buckley"
 * "He also states that" → "He further states that"
 * "with Uncut magazine, McLagan" → "with Uncut, McLagan"
 * "he was using at" → "were being used by him at"
 * "admitted were written" → "admitted was written"
 * "for the recording of the song," → "to record it"
 * "from Booker T. Jones playing" → "from Booker T. Jones' playing"
 * "The Small Faces recorded" → "Small Faces recorded"
 * "produced the song themselves" → "handled production of the song."
 * "The record is also notable for its" → ""Here Comes the Nice" has also been noted for its"
 * "This was created" → "The effect was created"
 * Target master tape to Mastering (audio)
 * Target chord to Chord (music)
 * Target pitch to Pitch (music)
 * Target strumming to Strum
 * You have wikilinked instead of adding the proposed target; fix this redirect like above. --K. Peake 21:40, 24 December 2020 (UTC)


 * "of the single differ slightly in the timing of this effect," → "of the song differ slightly in the timing of the effect,"
 * "in the mono mix than in" → "on the mono mix than"
 * "an old upright." → "an old upright"."
 * ❌ this is required for consistency with the other quotes

Release

 * Retitle to Release and commercial performance
 * "in their 27 May" → "in their 27 May 1967"
 * Remove target on "Green Circles"
 * "become their debut" → "become the band's debut"
 * "released by the end of May that year." → "released later that same month." but can you mention the type of release since it wasn't a single, and are you sure it wasn't released in June of that year?
 * "This contrasts from" → "This was a contrast from"
 * Remove wikilink on "(Tell Me) Have You Ever Seen Me?"
 * "when May had eventually come," → "when May 1997 eventually came,"
 * Target B-side to A-side and B-side
 * It should be mentioned somewhere in this section about this single being there debut Immediate release, if not at this point then around the second para's start probably
 * "On 26 May," → "On 26 May of that year,"
 * "This release was" → "The release was"
 * "on the Small Faces success," → "on Small Faces' success,"
 * [37] should be solely at the end of the sentence
 * "the Small Faces chart success" → "the band's chart success"
 * [39] should be solely at the end of the sentence and it may be used alongside [54] to back up the first part, but in that case probably move them both to the end and maintain numerical order
 * "by the Small Faces, who, similarly to "I Can't Make It", did" → "by Small Faces; similarly to "I Can't Make It", they did"
 * Target chords to Chord (music) on the audio sample text and make sure it is backed up; there is no mention of the song's genre as psychedelic anywhere in the prose even? Also, target psychedelic to Psychedelic music.
 * You have sourced the genre, but where is this sourced as their first psychedelic release? --K. Peake 21:40, 24 December 2020 (UTC)


 * "itself would eventually be released" → "was eventually released"
 * "on 2 June 1967," → "on 2 June 1967;"
 * Remove wikilink on "Talk to You"
 * "the stricter Don Arden it is" → "the stricter Arden, it is"
 * "their parents,[32][56] however" → "their parents;[32][56] however,"
 * You forgot to add the comma. --K. Peake 21:40, 24 December 2020 (UTC)


 * "to the group's dealer," → "to the band's dealer,"
 * "for the group," → "for Small Faces,"
 * "the single managed to reach the UK singles chart," → ""Here Come the Nice" managed to reach the UK Singles Chart," with the wikilink
 * "at a position of thirty-seven,[61] it peaked at number twelve" → "at number 37;[61] it peaked at number 12" per MOS:NUM
 * "and exited at a position..." is non-notable per WP:CHARTTRAJ
 * "of which six were in the top-twenty." → "six of which it appeared in the top 20."
 * "also reached number twenty-four" → "further reached number 24"
 * Target Media Control to GfK Entertainment charts
 * "Like all singles prior to" → "Like all the band's singles prior to"
 * Add release year of "Itchycoo Park" in brackets
 * "chart on the" → "chart on the US"
 * "Billboard had predicted for it to reach the chart" → "Billboard had predicted for the song to reach the Hot 100" with the target
 * "The US issue of" → "The United States issue of"
 * Remove target on master tape
 * "two months later." → "in the US on..." mentioning its release date
 * "of the Small Faces" → "of Small Faces'"
 * "although the B-Side, "Talk to You", was" → "although the B-side "Talk to You" was"
 * Remove target on Small Faces
 * ❌ --K. Peake 21:40, 24 December 2020 (UTC)


 * "previous UK singles, along with some tracks from Small Faces" → "previous singles released in the United Kingdom and some tracks from the album"
 * "who the Small Faces had previously worked with making" → "who Small Faces had previously worked with when making"
 * Add release years of "Just Passing" and "Lazy Sunday" in brackets, or maybe write it before the title for the former so it's less cluttered when reading
 * "the Small Faces released," → "released by Small Faces,"
 * Add release year of the double album in brackets
 * "details the material recorded" → "details their material recorded"

Critical reception and legacy

 * "The single received mostly positive critical feedback from critics," → "The song was met with mostly positive feedback from music critics," with the target
 * "In their 3 June 1967 issue," → "In the magazine's 3 June 1967 issue,"
 * Remove wikilink on New Musical Express
 * "it was more" → "it is more"
 * Target harmonies to Harmony
 * Wikilink blues
 * "Melody Maker stated that the single" → "Chris Hayes from Melody Maker said that the song"
 * "reaching the top-ten," → "reaching the top 10,"
 * Target organ to Organ repertoire
 * [78] should be solely at the end of the sentence
 * "noting that the members" → "noticing the band members"
 * "While reviewing singles" → "When reviewing singles"
 * Target Disc & Music Echo to Disc (magazine)
 * "it was female singing," → "it was a female singing,"
 * [79] should be solely at the end of the sentence
 * "and called it a" → "and called the track a"
 * "from the Beatles" → "from the Beatles'"
 * ❌ --K. Peake 21:40, 24 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Add release year of the album in brackets
 * "thought the single had a "Light-edged vocal line" which" → "thought the song has a "[l]ight-edged vocal line", which"
 * ❌ you need to use [] to make it clear that is not the directly quoted capitalisation form. --K. Peake 21:40, 24 December 2020 (UTC)


 * "the group backing."" → "the group backing"."
 * "find the single less commercial than" → "find the song less commercial than Small Faces'"
 * [80] should be solely at the end of the sentence
 * "thought it had" → "thought it has"
 * Remove wikilink on Melody Maker
 * "was the Small Faces." → "was Small Faces."
 * Wikilink tempo
 * "He thought that the single was a step up" → "Hendrix considered the song to be a step up"
 * [81] should be solely at the end of the sentence
 * Wikilink Stephen Thomas Erlewine
 * "and "Tin Soldier" the" → "and "Tin Soldier", the"
 * "called it" → "labelled it"
 * "The Small Faces themselves" → "Small Faces themselves"
 * "it together with" → "the song together with"
 * "as they have similar arrangements." → "due to them having similar arrangements." with the wikilink
 * "called "crap."" → "called "crap"."
 * "of Keith Emerson band" → "of Keith Emerson's band"
 * Lowercase the Little People per MOS:THEMUSIC
 * [85] should be solely at the end of the sentence
 * "between their earlier music" → "between Small Faces' earlier music"
 * [88] should be solely at the end of the sentence
 * "has led to both The Rich Kids" → "have led to both the Rich Kids"
 * "of "Here Come the Nice" for" → "of "Here Come the Nice" that features Midge Ure and Glen Matlock for", moving the featuring info from its current position to here
 * "with Paul Weller also performing the song live." → "performing the song live with Paul Weller."

Personnel

 * Personnel according to Here Comes The Nice: Immediate Years box set 1967-69. → Personnel according to the liner notes of Here Comes The Nice: Immediate Years box set 1967-69.
 * Use so there is the right space between credits and personnel.

Charts

 * See MOS:TABLECAPTION
 * ❌ --K. Peake 21:40, 24 December 2020 (UTC)


 * UK Singles (Official Charts Company) → UK Singles (OCC)
 * Only one source is needed for the chart here; keep [61] since that is from the OCC website

Progress on the review
I've completely reworked the lead and infobox section, and I'd appreciate it if you could take a look at it once again. Regarding the unbacked sentences, I will add them to the end of the "Reception and legacy" part of the article. Also note that English isn't my native tongue, which would explain some strange spelling mistakes found throughout the text. VirreFriberg (talk) 15:11, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the reworking, I will look at it and make comments below, and you are not supposed to create new sections on GA review pages, only sub-sections like above so I have merged your addition for you. It is understandable that your English may be somewhat weak if it's not your native language, however. --K. Peake 16:37, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The second sentence should say "it was released..."
 * "It received praise and good reviews from British music magazines and press." → "The song received mostly positive reviews from music critics,..." and add after the comma a bit about what was praised
 * "one of Small Faces" is missing the apostrophe
 * The article has been tweaked after your suggestions, with only a few minor differences from the recommendations, such as incorporating years in brackets (1969) into the sentences "in 1969." at various points throughout the text. Regarding the opening paragraph of the background section, I included it to showcase the progress Small Faces had made up until that point, and introduce the reader to their previous records. Reading it now, it seems a little redundant, but I felt like it was necessary to introduce the reader to the band's background as rhythm and blues musicians. VirreFriberg (talk) 19:06, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Nice job on the tweaking, the minor differences you decided to implement do not cause issues with the prose and work as perfectly fine alternatives to what I suggested. However, I meant to propose for you to implement the reception change to saying "mostly positive" but just forgot the second word; I have done this change for you now. I also moved this to being a lesser sub-section, so it can be appropriately inbetween the last actual section of the article and the final comments of this review. --K. Peake 08:02, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Alright, thank you. VirreFriberg (talk) 12:50, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It has been over a week by now... do you plan on implementing the remaining changes soon? --K. Peake 09:23, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, which changes are you referring to? VirreFriberg (talk) 11:33, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh sorry, I did not realize you had covered numerous sections because I saw nothing marking the changes as done outside of the progress subsection about a partial area of the article on the review page so felt I didn't need to check the article. However, I'm out right now thus unable to give a read-through til later, but the first para of the opening section fails the focus criterion in my opinion because it is not sourced as being directly connected to the song and you should remove it, plus give the suggested changes a read-through yourself to make sure you've done them all maybe? --K. Peake 17:28, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Alright, will do as soon as I'd get the chance to. Merry Christmas. VirreFriberg (talk) 20:52, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Merry Christmas to you soon; I will reply to any comments made on the day even though I'll keep activity at a minimal rate, e.g not expanding articles or starting new reviews. I'm going to look through this article now and try to see if you've missed anything out apart from the opening section's first paragraph. --K. Peake 20:56, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I've implemented your suggested changes into the article, however, I removed the first book found in Sources, as it was not added by me, and as no footnotes refers to it, it's redundant.
 * I have now gone over where there are any remaining issues, plus it is fine to remove the book with the given context! --K. Peake 21:40, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Now I've redone the suggested changes. However, note that the second WikiLink to Small Faces isn't the same to their debut album, which shares the same name. The Small Faces two first studio albums are eponymous which has led to some confusion. Regarding the charts, I think I did it correctly, although I am not 100% certain.
 * You forgot to sign off so I did not get the notification, but the chart table was improved though still required changes which I did because they were only brief! However, why is the genre not written out in the body and why have you kept unsourced info on the audio sample's text? --K. Peake 09:28, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Will fix that now.
 * I did remove the overlink of AllMusic, though you have not written out in the comp and recording section that the song's genre is psychedelic pop. Also, sign off posts next time. --K. Peake 15:56, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. VirreFriberg (talk) 18:07, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you; I have switched things so the ref is solely invoked in the body though. --K. Peake 21:51, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Final comments and verdict

 * until the issues are fixed, but do not feel afraid to reach out to me again if you need to! --K. Peake 08:02, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ now --K. Peake 21:51, 26 December 2020 (UTC)