Talk:Hermès/Archive 3

Hey!
HOW COME it doesn't mention anywhere that Jean Paul Gaultier designs for it? HUH?
 * [citation needed] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.237.203.18 (talk) 18:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup progress
jake sanders
 * Good workDonaldal 04:21, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

major improvment--71.68.16.203 23:59, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I've had another go at cleaning up the article, but it still reads like an advert in sections. Lots of work needed here! -- TinaSparkle 18:34, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup Suggestion
This whole article reads like a poor magazine article/advertising piece. Perhaps split the page into Company History, Designers (Gaultier, etc), Iconic Designs, Retail Locations, whatever. And remove anecdotes about Oprah Winfrey which are hardly relevant to the subject.

Look at Gucci for reference.

Cleanup crew is working on it. The Gucci article is a nice reference.Donaldal 04:29, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Pardon my French...
I'm wondering about the given pronunciation. Could we include some IPA symbols here?

"air-mez" is a starting point, but really the first syllable is more of an "open" sound that the English "air." Also, I wasn't aware that English-speakers pronounced the final "s".

I wonder if this is different between American and British (or other) varieties of English. In French, one would not pronounce the "s" (unless of course the next word began with a vowel-sound).

A good way to settle this dispute is to see how the Hermès ad/PR people pronounce their company's name in materials prepared for English speakers. Ckamaeleon 23:49, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

You asked about the pronunciation. In French, Greek names retain the pronunciation of the final s. Thus the name is pronounced with the final s. As a point of interest, the French have some dispuations over pronunciation of final letters. For example, a Parisienne friend of mine insists that Degas is pronounced with the final s, just as in Hermès. Clearly this is not the normal pronuciation (in French or English). Ask your French prof about the pronunciation of Greek names. As far as the pronunciation in the store goes, I can say first hand that they do pronounce the s in America at least. Hermes NYC can be reached at 212-751-3181. Donaldal 23:12, 22 January 2006 (UTC)


 * What a wonderful thing to learn! (although I don't suppose many other people get that excited about phonetics--I think it quite useful, since we never covered how the French pronounce classical names in my phonetics courses.) It makes sense. English speakers say "Phoebe" as, not ...but then English is always breaking its pronunciation "rules" when compared to the romance languages. Thanks for discussing it. Ckamaeleon 01:32, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree, "Hermès" is pronounced with the final s. [ɛʁmɛs] should be a correct transcription. Korg (talk) 07:28, 28 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I added the IPA transcript you suggested, although (at least in the USA) in Hermes beautiques they ususally pronounce it more like [ɛr'mɛz] . Donaldal 22:51, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks for the IPA transcription. Do you think the alternate form [z] for [s] is worth adding the to the article? Ckamaeleon 16:00, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, would it be possible for some kind soul to record the pronunciation and put it up somewhere?--little Alex 16:40, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Oprah
The Oprah discussion is highly relevant for U.S. readers. Tens of millions watch Oprah, and the name Hermes is inextricably tied to this incident.

That may be, but a) this is not just an American encyclopedia, it is an English-language encyclopedia, and b) Oprah is a perfectly nice woman, I'm sure, who gives lots of money to charities and helps people, but big deal, a store wouldn't stay open late/reopen for her. It's their prerogative, regardless of her race or gender or nationality. Nowhere have I seen it mentioned what she was wearing, and you can't really get mad at stores/restaurants for refusing people who are not deemed to be properly attired, so who knows, maybe she showed up in jeans and a cotton top and they decided it wasn't nice enough for their store. --Ecurran 08:50, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

What does Oprah have to do with Hermes?

Densha Otoko and Hermès in Pop Culture
The Hermès brand is featured prominently in the popular Japanese book, film, and television series Densha Otoko, about an otaku who protects an attractive office lady from a lewd drunk on a train, and their subsequent relationship. Would it be relevant to mention this on Hermès' Wikipedia page?
 * I don't see why not. It's an interesting addition to the article and it should be fairly well sourced. Snake 89 (talk) 23:59, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Put me down as a vote in favor! I actually came here partly to check that I had the proper accent for spelling the name and partly out of curiosity to see what would be said here about Densha Otoko.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.172.13.173 (talk) 16:56, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Who is in ownership of the company?
Someone said that "Robert Dumas, the husband of one of Emile's four daughters, introduced Hermès ties, fragrances, and beach towels. His son, Jean-Louis Dumas, has led the company since 1978." is incorrect. Can anyone verify?

This is completely true. He retired however, in 2006. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.108.234.98 (talk) 22:25, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Hermeslogo1.gif
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Handbag Image
Although much appreciated, that pink handbag isn't exactly conservative.

Winfrey
These celebrities need a reality check. She shows up after hours and she gets turned away. Same as would happen to almost any white person (is she even famous in France). But instead of being reasonable, and reflecting that she was trying to exploit her celebrity status by making unreasonable demands on people who have families to see in the evening, she plays the race card. What a loser! Mowsbury 23:02, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I confirm, Oprah Winfrey is barely known in France. A few people working in the television business might have heard of her, but surely I'd say it's safe to claim that 99.95% of the French have *no* clue who Oprah is. How could they, anyway ? Her shows are not broadcast in France. French women have anyway a very different view on life in general as that which is commonly touted in the US. The lifestyles are also very different. Oprah's goody-two-shoes attitude would be seen as highly suspicious and fake.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.205.144.78 (talk) 12:49, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Lacks encyclopaedic tone
How do I add the "lacks encyclopaedic tone" template? This seems more like an ad than an article. Arthurian Legend 14:52, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Waiting List
I was informed by an Hermes employee in California that the waiting list for the Birkin is no longer active, but would need independant verification on this fact. Dichotomyboi (talk) 15:19, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Pure advertisement
Come on: "the finest leather animal skins reside in the leather storage facility in Paris." And why are famous costumers in the first paragraph? I bet paris hilton also was at McDonalds, wears Levi's Jeans, drove a Porsche. Marketing! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.171.19.73 (talk) 02:43, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Many problems, including possible copyright violation
This article sources rely heavily on three sources. One is no long on the Web (24 references). One is from a site with a clearly promotional purpose: "fundinguniverse" (36 references). One is to the landing page of a French site. (20) It's impossible now to check comprehensively, but given that the Wiki article references three of same magazine references as the only source that is easily checked, this article appears to be an amalgam of copyright violation material. Someone with knowledge on the subject needs to clean the article, scrutinizing statements that are supported by what may have been inappropriate references. Also, footnotes to "Contemporary Fashion" need page numbers, as statements such as "His goal was to create the finest wrought harnesses" may be WP:PEACOCK or completely untrue. Piano non troppo (talk) 00:13, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Haute couture
Is Hermes a high fashion house (first sentence) or a haute couture house?--71.111.229.19 (talk) 10:34, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Not a member of the Chambre syndicale de la haute couture.  Racconish  Tk  20:00, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Hermes Code - whips, saddles and spurs!
Croatian writer Giancarlo Kravar: When a famous photographer Helmuth Newton said that the fashion house Hermes (Hermes Thierry Hermes 1801th to 1878th, in 1837.year founded the fashion house as a house horse equipment) is considered the biggest sex shop with their whips, saddles and spurs, it sounded like sacrilege. But, it was not! It is simply true underground of Hermes, the world of fashion shrine crafts associated with designers who craft the perfect foundation build a design that has the ability to keep up. According to Croatian daily Večernji list, Queen Elizabeth wears famous Hermes scarf 1956th, the portrait on the stamp, Grace Kelly used as a sling for a broken arm, and Sharon Stone for SM games, while Jane Birkin get her name from the 1984th, today for Birkin bags to wait five years. Hermes Code - whips, saddles, spurs, and the slogan: Nothing to speed, everything takes time! 78.2.62.75 (talk) 04:18, 17 September 2012 (UTC)