Talk:Hermine Speier

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I have a weird issue. The Brown University web link here is no where as detailed as another link on their page, but I cannot open the pdf file from page 3, third up from the bottom here as it just gives an error message. I CAN open it as a webcache by pasting this into the web: cache:e1og_4cldoYJ:www.brown.edu/Research/Breaking_Ground/bios/Speier_Hermine.pdf+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=mx, but WP will not allow me to input the page as a cache. Anyone with technical knowledge able to help? Thanks! SusunW (talk) 22:40, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * The PDF file is malformatted. Google managed to open it somehow. The cache page is at https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:e1og_4cldoYJ:www.brown.edu/Research/Breaking_Ground/bios/Speier_Hermine.pdf.  It won't be there for long.  All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 23:00, 12 December 2015 (UTC).


 * I get that, but my question is there anyway to (1) save it so it doesn't become inaccessible? I cannot seem to put it into Wayback or (2) reformat it so that it remains accessible? SusunW (talk) 23:13, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I put it on Wayback I think. It's inaccessible there too, for the same reason.  Wayback won't archive Google cache.  You should be able to download the pdf from http://www.brown.edu/Research/Breaking_Ground/bios/Speier_Hermine.pdf right click and "save as".  Maybe you can then open that with an alternative pdf reading program, I don't know. (Adobe Reader refuses to open it.)
 * All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 23:25, 12 December 2015 (UTC).


 * That is beyond my abilities. When I try to open it with "another program" it will not give me any other programs to open it with. I long for the days before "windows" and "apps" when one could actually find an executable program on their PC. *sigh* SusunW (talk) 00:19, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Despite the fact that apparently microsoft programs are "hidden" when one attempts to browse for a document to open, I was able to open the file with Microsoft word. I was then able to save it as a pdf file. Now what do I do with it? Can it be uploaded to WikiPedia? And if so, how does one do that? SusunW (talk) 00:49, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * If I were you,, I would just provide the original URL as the source. It is obviously possible to open the PDF file so the fact that Adobe won't do it shouldn't be a problem. As we're dealing with the Vatican, you don't need to be "more pious than the pope". I don't think you can put your version on Wikipedia without running into copyright problems. I also found quite an interesting piece here but as it's in Google Books you probably won't be able to translate it.--Ipigott (talk) 08:23, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * It might be worth pinging the site maintainer, who would probably want the document to be available. As Ipigott says, it's still a valid reference, maybe a note is required pro tem?  All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 14:46, 13 December 2015 (UTC).
 * It might be worth pinging the site maintainer, who would probably want the document to be available. As Ipigott says, it's still a valid reference, maybe a note is required pro tem?  All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 14:46, 13 December 2015 (UTC).


 * Thanks I will try to notify Brown University. I did put a note on the reference that it needs to be opened with Microsoft Word. Don't know what the protocol is for that, so I just explained in the "quote" section and it prints on the citation. SusunW (talk) 16:52, 13 December 2015 (UTC)