Talk:Hernandez v. Mesa

Requested move 24 November 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Hernandez v. Mesa. Not a clear consensus for this, but no objections. I'll be happy to revert if anyone objects, but I believe there is implied consensus support for this title, since, as Iffy notes, the SCOTUS case is really why this case has notability. The article content might need some adjustments, but no biggy. (non-admin closure) В²C ☎ 21:36, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Killing of Sergio Hernandez Guereca → Shooting of Sergio Hernandez Guereca – Per consistency with other articles in Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in the United States: virtually all have "Shooting of..." rather than "Killing of..." StAnselm (talk) 23:11, 24 November 2019 (UTC) —Relisting. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:48, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination. "Shooting of..." is indeed the standard Wikipedia main title header. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:43, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * It should really be about the SCOTUS case Hernández v. Mesa. That being said, such a re-work will take some time and in the interim, I support per the nominator. May His Shadow Fall Upon You ● 📧 14:57, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Should we add diacritics? According to the article, his name was "Sergio Adrián Hernández Güereca". Most of the cited sources seem to include the diacritics (and most of them also include "Adrián"). Some of the sources seem to omit the "Güereca"/"Guereca". —BarrelProof (talk) 19:11, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Move to Hernandez v. Mesa per May His Shadow Fall Upon You, as this incident's primary claim to notability is the SCOTUS cases that originated from the shooting.   Iffy★Chat -- 13:54, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hernandez or Hernández? (Your two links exhibit one of each, and your suggestion omitted the diacritic although MHSFUY had included it in a similar suggestion above.) And is this boy's death really only notable as a Supreme Court case? —BarrelProof (talk) 02:20, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Either, the diactiric isn't the important part of my comment. Iffy★Chat -- 13:53, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * In the sources, I seem to encounter the diacritic less frequently (if ever) for the name of the court case (Hernandez v. Mesa) than for the name of the boy. This could be because there is some tendency (or policy) to not use diacritics in U.S. court case names. In the Supreme Court decision document, references to the name of the boy include the diacritic, but references to the name of the court case do not. —BarrelProof (talk) 17:03, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


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Cell phone video
§Background§§Case history currently states, "The agent claimed after the shooting that he had used deadly force because the boys had been throwing rocks at him. Cell phone video contradicted that claim.", supported by its 2019-11-12 WaPo ref: "Mesa claimed the boys were throwing rocks at him, but cellphone video of the incident indicated that was not true."

But this 2010-06-10 CNN article, Youth fatally shot by border agent had smuggling ties, official says, is more nuanced, stating that the cell phone video supports the assertion that rocks were being thrown, and that what it contradicts is the statement that the officer was surrounded at the time, and that "A federal law enforcement official told CNN that the FBI's use of the word "surrounded," was "probably not the best choice of words," and that it is more accurate to say that people were nearby throwing rocks."

Has the analysis of the cell phone video changed over time, or is the WaPo article mistaken on this point?

Additionally, has the family's claim that boys were just playing a game been accepted as fact (as it is currently given in that same section of our article), or is that CNN's story about Hernández Güereca having been previously apprehended multiple times for involvement in human smuggling and that the US BP officer was responding to a report of active smuggling still relevant. -- ToE 08:20, 5 March 2020 (UTC)