Talk:Herobrine

Protected edit request on 19 April 2022
I recently created an article about the Minecraft Steve video game character here. A notable aspect of the character is a creepypasta topic named Herobrine, which is discussed at length under its own section at Steve (Minecraft) as well as a paragraph's worth under critical analysis. It is currently a redirect to Minecraft, but no one other then an administrator could edit it. It was very recently placed under indefinite, full protection by Ohnoitsjamie because someone had repeatedly attempted to recreate an article that is poorly sourced into mainspace. I am not contesting Ohnoitsjamie's decision to fully protect the redirect or arguing that the prior contents of "Herobrine" in mainspace meets relevant notability guidelines; I am simply making an uncontroversial technical request to change the redirect target from Minecraft where it is very briefly mentioned in passing to Steve (Minecraft), an action which I am unable to complete on my own because of the increased protection level.&#32;Haleth (talk) 12:54, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ I saw your request on my talk page yesterday, but was confused because the Steve link you posted there didn't link to an article (you had Minecraft in lowercase). OhNo itsJamie Talk 13:43, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The comments above were originally left at Requested moves/Technical requests (permalink) and are posted here for posterity. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 19:13, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ohnoitsjamie, just to clarify. That was not me editing anonymously. I have never left a post on your talk page. It must have been another editor who stumbled upon the redirect. Haleth (talk) 01:43, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 17 May 2022
Several of the categories should be moved from Steve (Minecraft) to this redirect per WP:INCOMPATIBLE, namely Category:Creepypasta, Category:In-jokes, Category:Internet hoaxes, Category:Urban legends, and Category:Video game memes. Normally, I would do this myself, but the redirect is fully protected. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:42, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ - I'm assuming this is uncontroversial in regards to current protection, if not any admin should revert and send this back to discussion here. — xaosflux  Talk 15:07, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Xaosflux: Hi, the "in-joke" category should stay because that is the origin of the character's name, according to reliable sources. "Steve" was part of a joke, though we don't have the specifics of the joke itself. And what is the purpose of populating a redirect with substantial categories which are not redirect-specific ones? Haleth (talk) 23:26, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Haleth from what I took from the edit requester, these categories pertain to the subject of this redirect specifically, but not to the subject of the redirect target. — xaosflux  Talk 23:48, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 27 December 2022
Please add Category:Minecraft and italicise the title. Thanks! Thiscouldbeauser (talk) 06:05, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I've added the category but haven't italicised the title given that people won't see it in a redirect. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 10:46, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Yet again the notability policy is broken.
WP:OTHERSTUFF and WP:WAX are irrelevant, the fact that a obscure Minecraft reference can get an article and featured on WP:DYK when one of the most popular characters of the 90s got redirected means that the notability policy is broken beyond repair, and Wikipedia is no longer trustable on what is considered "notable". Well i'm declaring now that my donation money is "not notable", and will not be given to Wikipedia any more. Consider me. 77.103.193.166 (talk) 19:32, 30 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Not sure if the IP will see this, but posting just in case. You're entitled to believe this, but have you considered that the reason why Herobrine has an article while Diddy Kong does not is because more reliable sources have covered the former than the latter? It's not like we wouldn't create one on Diddy even if there were more good sources. Rather, the issue isn't just Wikipedia's fault, but instead the mainstream press and academia for not covering Diddy in the first place. I think more people would benefit from directing this criticism towards news outlets, because they can often let some topics slip through the cracks. Thanks, PantheonRadiance (talk) 19:55, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * If you are here to bitch rather than build an encyclopedia and respect its policies, then your your retirement means nothing to us, nor does the twenty dollars you spent paying for Jimmy's morning coffee. Assuming this is who I think it is, you literally promoted the Super Mario Wiki article for King K. Rool over Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not built for fandoms or cruft related to them, and that's exactly what your fandom wikia's and series-specific wikis are for. The two serve different purposes. What gets coverage is what gets coverage and we do not dictate that, and if you truly object to a policy that's been in place for two decades, then the talk page of a so-called "obscure Minecraft reference" is not the place to make your voice heard. λ Negative  MP1  20:02, 30 March 2024 (UTC)


 * If I may, the fact that you think Herobrine is obscure suggests that your perspective is pretty clouded by your own personal biases. Just as a point of comparison, Herobrine's page views are approximately 12,000-large over the past 30 days. Luigi's page views are approximately 25,000 for the same time period. In a Google search, Herobrine is estimated to appear in 14 million results. By comparison, Diddy Kong appears in 4 million. You can't even argue that Diddy Kong has residual icon status from Mario Kart, because he's in only a handful of them, with the only one he's available in from the start being Double Dash even! What really defines Diddy Kong as one of the most popular character of the 90s anyway? He's playable in only four games of note, and while they're popular, he's not nearly as popular as you're acting. For one, just because he is in popular games doesn't make him popular himself. Also, think about the characters that were introduced in the 90s. Ryu? Sonic? Yoshi? Kirby? Cloud Strife? Kazuya Mishima? Wario? Kerrigan? Rayman? Chris Redfield, Jill Valentine, Claire Redfield, Leon S. Kennedy? Reimu Hakurei? Lara Croft? Diablo? Gordon Freeman? Spyro the Dragon? Crash Bandicoot? In many ways, they are at comparable popularity levels or even higher to Diddy Kong.
 * I feel like you're allowing your own personal biases to inflate the popularity of things you like, and deflate the popularity of things you are not interested in. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 20:16, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Character articles are a minefield at the moment, but this is such a WP:NOTHERE attitude. If you can find more sources to make Diddy Kong self-evidently notable, find them. If you can't, work with WP:VG to think about how notability standards for character articles could be better approached. Passive aggression achieves nothing. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 05:45, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd also like to add that you can't retire because you have never created an account in the first place.  TWOrantula  TM (enter the web) 20:48, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Source?
Here. Conference papers are also not peer-reviewed. — V ORTEX  3427 (Talk!) 04:26, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Argument for demoting importance
My edit summary got cut off, so I will post it here.

For the video game characters task force: This "character" is quite niche, and certainly not Mid-Importance. His impact is exclusive to Minecraft, most of the reception used to show outside impact is made up of listicles, and he never actually appears in a video game. Barely anyone who isn't a Minecraft fan could identify this character, and I guarantee he would not be easily identified by a good number of people who are Minecraft fans. For the Internet culture WikiProject: Herobrine as a meme is confined almost entirely to Minecraft, and is not even that prevalent within the Minecraft community. WikiProject Internet Culture has an importance scale, and Herobrine does not get above Low-Importance.

QuicoleJR (talk) 14:55, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I do not agree with your assessment. . Is there any proof of this? He is probably the most famous character apart from Steve, Alex, the Creeper. Minecraft update logs always included "removed herobrine". —Panamitsu (talk) 22:05, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah I can agree with being demoted on the project-wide importance rating, same with Internet culture to some extent, but I think he'd warrant at least Mid-importance on the task force. I mean, most people that played Minecraft know what Herobrine is, and that around a hundred million people (monthly). Obviously, not every single one of them know who the character is, but even if it was only 50-60% that's still a lot. Mid-importance I think is warranted. λ Negative  MP1  22:10, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I have brought him back up to Mid for the task force, but I still stand by my other changes. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:54, 25 April 2024 (UTC)