Talk:Heroes (American TV series)

Requested move 17 November 2018

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The result of the move request was: moved (page mover nac) Flooded  with them hundreds  07:52, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Heroes (TV series) → Heroes (U.S. TV series) – The article on the 2006–2010 U.S. TV series to be moved to the proposed title for necessary disambiguation from the 2010–2011 South Korean variety series of the same title: Heroes (South Korean TV series), as we don't do "primary subtopics" on Wikipedia (see also WP:PDAB). Once moved, Heroes (TV series) needs to be converted to a redirect to Heroes as per WP:INCDAB. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:19, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Support - per WP:INCDAB, a disambiguation cannot be a primary and as "TV series" is still ambiguous, the additional of country of origin is required. --Gonnym (talk) 11:00, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Partial disambiguation does happen, just only when one topic is 1000x times as relevant as the others.  A short-lived variety portion of a television block that was canceled due to low ratings after a year that doesn't appear to have ANY English-language sources (the one source the article has appears to be a malware / spam site now, so I just removed it) that verify it has any accepted name in English, let alone that said name is "Heroes", doesn't seem to qualify (Google Translate comes up with "Hero Hogel" as a literal machine translation of the Korean name).  Basically it's not even clear if the name of the South Korean series is even "Heroes", and even if it is, the gap in notability is so gigantic that it qualifies for an exception regardless.  SnowFire (talk) 05:44, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * All valid reasons for the deletion of the S. Korean article aside, why would we need an exception? It is already disambiguated, meaning that anyone typing only "Heroes" will not reach it anyways (which is part of the reason why the guideline does not support "primary" disambiguations). --Gonnym (talk) 10:47, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The title of a super-notable topic shouldn't hang on whether a niche topic is kept, moved, merged, or deleted; that's the reason for an exception. It just adds noise if a no-partial-disambiguation policy is enforced "strictly"; suppose the South Korean TV series is merged, then unmerged, then merged again.  Should the US series title keep flopping around every time in response?  That seems overly fragile.  We can avoid that just by waiting for the South Korean article to actually prove it belongs and gets some real sources.  Basically I really mean it when I say "1000x times as relevant", these niche topics like fictional characters within a forgotten novel somewhere or TV shows that lasted a year are so borderline that assuming their continued existence as standalone articles is tenuous, so do disambiguation as if they didn't exist.  (I suppose there's a weak WP:CONCISE argument as well, but I'll be the first to admit that's more of a nice bonus than a compelling reason of itself.)  SnowFire (talk) 16:42, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:INCDAB. -- wooden  superman  13:43, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:INCDAB, we can't base a move on whether Heroes South Korean TV series will be moved or if its notable. We can only judge things by how they are now and there is no good reason to have primary subtopics here. JC7V (talk) 14:41, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per previous reasons. JE98 (talk) 17:42, 23 November 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Heroes (TV series) is move-protected and needs to be moved to Heroes (U.S. TV series) per the discussion above. Flooded  with them hundreds 07:54, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

"Heroes (TV serial)" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Heroes (TV serial). The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 15 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Gonnym (talk) 09:53, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

"Hősök" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Hősök. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 15 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Gonnym (talk) 10:01, 15 August 2020 (UTC)