Talk:Herpetology/Archive 1

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Would herpetology include or exclude study of Blanding's turtle?--Sonjaaa 23:44, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

The Blandings Turtle is a reptile, therefore it would be included. MFuture 06:31, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * All turtles are reptiles. The earlier Wikipedia entry on herpetology did not make this clear, and  I have rectified it by itemizing all of the animals included, even the obscure ones.  This should remove future confusion. --KDS4444 01:43, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Careers??
It's great that the users writing the article are very passionate about this field of study. However this does not warrant the existence or the specific formulation of the Careers section. This really sounds more like an advert than serious encyclopedic content. TheChymera (talk) 14:18, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

"Herp" redirect
Is the herp redirect really necessary? If so, then page protection is required, given the (more common) usage. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 07:07, 20 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I've made herp into it's own (short) page, so users can click to reptile, amphibian, herpetology or herpetoculture as desired. Mokele (talk) 15:01, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

References in popular culture
xkcd: http://xkcd.com/867/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.111.216.138 (talk) 00:55, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * No, and I'm about to protect the page. See WP:XKCD. OhNo itsJamie Talk 00:59, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

XKCD-Comic
Today an XKCD-Comic was published with Herpetology as a subject: http://xkcd.com/867/

First of all, I think the topic should be locked before a wave idiots come around who think they have to vanalize the article.

Also related to this comic: Amphibians and Reptiles are entirely unrelated. Why are they still covered by a single field? The article says nothing about that. --130.149.43.168 (talk) 11:18, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Good call on the page protection; I've put in a request. They're still covered by the same field for several reasons. In spite of their relationships, in many ways they're more similar than different.  As typically small, terrestrial ectotherms, they face many similar ecological, physiological, and evolutionary challenges, as well as sharing similar morphology, locomotion, and many aspects of behavior.  It's like why "ichthyology" still covers bony fish, cartilaginous fish, and jawless fish - in spite of not being a "proper" group, their shared ancestry, habitat, etc make them a more "natural" grouping than other possibilities. Plus, individuals who are interested in one are very likely to be interested in another, so having a scientific conference covering both works very well (as opposed to a hypothetic reptiles + birds conference, in which there would likely be little overlap).  This is also why the yearly US herp conference includes several ichthyology societies - because there's enough shared interest for it to be worth it.  While most herpetologists consider themselves something else first (endocrinologist, physiologist, ecologist, taxonomist, etc.), many got into science via a passion for these specific organisms, and enjoy a chance to meet with others who share such passions.  Finally, there's tradition.  All of this isn't in the WP article because this is just my experiences within the field, therefore anecdotal and a violation of no original research. Mokele (talk) 12:47, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for sharing, anyway. Interesting read.--130.149.43.168 (talk) 13:07, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I think it's perhaps a little over-reactive to put in a page request in anticipation that a web-comic may spur people to vandalism. Watch the page, sure, and if there is an issue—then request a lock. But what about the people who come here after reading today's xkcd, have something useful to add but then can't? I think we could assume good faith of the population at large. 128.16.7.149 (talk) 15:07, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The request was declined, if I had been the one reviewing I would have used Pictogram voting oppose.svg Declined – Pages are not protected preemptively. as that is what you were asking for. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:37, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I wish I had your optimism about the human condition...--130.149.43.168 (talk) 12:19, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

herpers?
The article used to say: People with an avid interest in herpetology and who keep different reptiles or amphibians often refer to themselves as "herpers". Is this true, citation needed. Sounds rather strange. Cheers, — sligocki (talk) 06:55, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Good checking for vandalism, but that's actually true. For instance, I'm part of an LJ group called "herpers" (which is the source I've added, since I can't seem to find another one besides simple use of the term). Mokele (talk) 12:22, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Cool, thanks. — sligocki (talk) 01:13, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Merge Herp back here
Herp was a redirect until last year, when a user decided "deserved" its own article. This article is brief and obviously is an intimately related subject, I suggest we merge the two articles, the content of herp could easily be integrated here. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:54, 18 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I made "Herp" its own page because there are multiple possible places a redirect could go - here, herping, herpetoculture, tetrapod, etc. I was originally tempted to make it into a disambiguation page, but then figured that the etymology of the term and its current use was noteworthy, especially since prior to this page, there was nowhere on WP that really explicitly defined what a "herp" was.  Additionally, when I googled "herp" previously, because of the redirect the WP article didn't show up until fair ways down the page, but with it's own page, it's the second hit.


 * I favor leaving it as is, simply so there is a central page that answers "what is a herp and where did the term come from?", rather adding duplicate info on at least 3 pages. Mokele (talk) 20:32, 18 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Herping and herpetoculture are subdivisions or techniques of herpetology, while no one is likely to search for herp looking for tetrapod. The definition and derivation would be best served on this page, which is the central one for the science and its concepts. --Khajidha (talk) 14:54, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

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Herpetofauna redirects to this article. While Herpetology is a branch of zoology, concerning "the study of" amphibians and reptiles, herpetofauna is the particular collective "reptiles and amphibians of a particular region, habitat, or geological period" (example), and this should be included in the article. Otr500 (talk) 14:30, 2 December 2017 (UTC)