Talk:Herrschaft

Dutch Herrschafts
This article focuses too much on the German definition of a Herrschaft while they are a common sight in Dutch history as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jurryaany (talk • contribs) 14:33, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Until 1648 the Netherlands were part of Germany anyway. -- Reinhard Dietrich (talk) 13:43, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

New basic article
Herrschaft is one of those difficult German terms. The existing short article, based on the German article I think, contained many errors (including about the Freiherr) and was unsourced. All I found to replace it is a basic French source (part of a glossary for a Franco-German group of historians) but a decent one. Better than nothing for the moment. Of course, it needs to be improved and developed, but good sourced infos are hard to find.--Lubiesque (talk) 22:34, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Clarification needed regarding the "barons"
"The lords of a small number of those immediate lordships, often imperial knights, eventually succeeded in having themselves raised to the status of count (Graf) or prince (Fürst) and recognized as imperial estates with a seat and vote at the Imperial Diet. Seventeenth-century jurists began to designate those immediate lordships, as well as the more important territories of imperial knights as baronia, and after them the custom was established in Germany to call them Baronie or Baronat (French: baronnie, English: barony) and their owners barons.[2]"

I am confused. States that were lead by counts were called "counties"; those lead by princes "principalities". But a baron (Freiherr) is its own separate rank, right? ZFT (talk) 06:45, 23 November 2021 (UTC)