Talk:Hervé Villechaize

DE Plane! DE Plane!
Would someone who knows how to do such things, please change the name of the article called "Ze Plane! Ze Plane!" to "De Plane! De Plane!"? De Plane, De Plane! is what he actually said, but some know-nothing created the page and called it "Ze Plane!" Until that is changed, the Wiki police will keep undoing my (or anyone else's) attempts to correct his famous Fantasy Island exclamation in his Wiki article. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.65.76.189 (talk) 23:07, 22 January 2016‎

"Ze plane! Ze plane!"
Herve Villechaize did not say "Ze plane! Ze plane!" Nor could he, even if he wanted to. In addition to a thick French accent, he had an irrepressible lisp, which made itself plain when he talked about a guest's "fantathy" on "Fantasy Island." Because of his particular speech impediment, his opening line came out, "The plane! The plane!" 65.33.153.122 (talk) 18:26, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Agreed - he audibly says, "De plane! De plane!" ("The plane! The plane!") - definitely not "Ze plane". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.157.5.186 (talk) 15:38, 10 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I've changed it, and cited a source. GA-RT-22 (talk) 20:27, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Additionally, he did not "chant" the phrase, as the lead currently states. This is an incorrect term to describe how the actor delivered the line atop the bell tower. Suggest inserting a different word to better describe the action. Maineartists (talk) 20:50, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Not 1978... 1977!
The first Serie started/ is filmed in 1977, not 1978. You can clearly see that at the begining of every episode. Even more, the first episode (Pilot) was broadcast on 14 January 1977, so probably even filmed in 1976. 5.132.53.188 (talk) 21:13, 17 January 2018 (UTC)


 * You're right; both the Filmography subsection and the Fantasy Island article used the correct date (1977), so I've edited the lead paragraph to match. With non-controversial edits like this you can be bold and make the correction yourself, remembering to add an explanation in the edit summary. It's as easy as editing a talk page. Thanks for your contribution. nagualdesign 21:17, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Edit re: ethnicity
I noticed that this page is inaccurate by saying Hervé is of Filipino descent. This podcast (Soundtracking with Edith Bowman) discusses Hervé's ethnicity:

https://audioboom.com/posts/6975107-episode-102-sacha-gervasi-on-the-music-of-anvil-danny-elfman-more

At the 55 minute mark, you'll hear that according to Hervé's brother Patrick, Hervé was English/French/Italian/German. Let me know if anyone has any disagreements - otherwise this should be enacted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adamspond (talk • contribs) 22:28, 22 August 2018 (UTC)


 * My question would be this: are third-hand sources adequate enough to be considered factual? If I say in a podcast or an interview that Madonna's brother told me that she's from Nigeria, is that adequate enough of a source? I would have to say no. Peter Dinklage saying Villachaize's family told him he was not Filipinio; or a person in a podcast saying that Villachaize's brother said he was not Filipino, are simply not reliable enough pieces of information to consider it a fact. CouplandForever (talk) 08:51, 30 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Here's an article where Roger Moore claims Villachaize was a sex addict. Should we add it to the article because a famous person says it's true?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3980648/Nick-Nack-tiny-lothario-Roger-Moore-reveals-3ft-11in-actor-played-villain-Man-Golden-Gun-unnatural-lust-women.html CouplandForever (talk) 08:55, 30 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Seems like both the claim that he was and he wasn't Filipino aren't well-sourced so the fact should just be omitted. Also, this note from his girlfriend, Kathy Self, indicates that nobody knows who his biological father was. http://reelreviews.com/shorttakes/tattoo/tattoo.htm "Only Jean Paul and Phillippe are from Andre Villechaize. He and his older brother were born to his mother ad another father, and she would never tell him who that was. Andre married his mother when Herve was about 2, and adopted both boys, although not legally, and he did give them both his last name." RotJ (talk) 15:57, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

If statements made by the actual family themselves are not being accepted as factual, then my advice is to purge any references to the man's ethnicity from the article, full stop. Say he was French-born and leave it at that. If he was still alive we'd probably have to do that under WP:BLP, just as there are many biographical articles of living persons that omit birth dates due to lack of reliable - or, should I say, acceptable-to-Wikipedia-sourced - information. 136.159.160.8 (talk) 18:31, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Someone has started a bogus Tumblr blog claiming Villechaize has Filipino ancestry. Make sure it is not cited as a reliable source. The Tumblr, titled "FAMOUS FILIPINOS / ASIANS," is located at http://famousfilipinos.tumblr.com/post/74855984/herve-villechaize-filipino. Michaelopolis (talk) 02:23, 3 September 2018 (UTC)


 * If there are better sources for him being a stepson of André Villechaize, that should be included. There don't seem to be any sources that he had Filipino ancestry, unless it was in something ephemeral and unreliable like a television documentary from decades ago, and quite possibly it is impossible to know.--Pharos (talk) 15:21, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Regarding the audio recording Herve left re: suicide
LAPD never has and never will release this audio. There is a youtube that his girlfriend tells what he supposedly said on the recording but the LAPD have this audiotape archived somewhere within their system and never ever will let the public hear it. I find that unfortunate. He is dead now for decades. Why not allow the public hear it? Just my opinion I guess. Ciao. Photolarry (talk)photolarry — Preceding undated comment added 06:44, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Suicide
The sources cited for this article do not coincide with what is presented within its content. The article states: "Villechaize, aged 50, is believed to have first fired a shot through the sliding-glass patio door to awaken his longtime girlfriend, Kathy Self, before shooting himself."

But the RADAR source claims: Villechaize snuck "outside in the early morning to pump a bullet into his chest. He then squeezed off two more shots."

The article then goes on to state: "Self found Villechaize in his backyard, and he was pronounced dead at the Medical Center of North Hollywood."

But the sources claim: "Self ... found 50-year-old Villechaize alive — but bleeding heavily." "He was in pain, but he was still talking," she recalled. "There was a tape recorder in a potted plant right next to where he fired," Self noted. "He said, 'Well, I just have to do this, and everything will be fine. Kathy, it's not your fault, so don't worry. I love you. OK, I just need to pull this little trigger,'" she continued of Villechaize's last moments. "Then it goes pop. And he says, 'Whoa, well, I guess I just have to wait.'

Another source claims: "In the early morning hours of September 4, 1993 his common-law wife (even though she didn't live in the same house) would find his body." It seems Herve had written a suicide note, grabbed his tape recorder and proceeded to his cluttered backyard. He turned on the tape recorder and spoke into the microphone, "Kathy, I can't live like this anymore. I've always been a proud man and always wanted to make you proud of me. You know you made me feel like a giant and that's how I want you to remember me" After a bit more rambling he said "I'm doing what I have to do...I want everything to go to Kathy...I want everyone to know that I love them."

In a sitting position, Herve leaned back against the sliding glass patio door*, placed a pillow against his chest, and fired the pistol into the pillow. The bullet would travel through Herve's chest shattering the glass door, pass through a kitchen cabinet, and eventually end up lodged in a wall. The tape recorder caught the sound of Herve cocking the pistol just before the deadly shots rang out. As he lay slumped against the glass door he mumbled, "it hurts, it hurts...Im dying, I'm dying."

Either the article isn't citing the events correctly, or Self is not getting her facts straight. Either way, there are major inconsistencies in the sources. The NYT does not corroborate either. The content of his suicide cannot stand as written with these sources stating completely different facts and events. Maineartists (talk) 22:23, 9 May 2023 (UTC)