Talk:Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben, BWV 147

BWV 147a
List of Bach cantatas by liturgical function says that this cantata with the same name (BWV 147a) was writtein for "Advent IV" on 20 December 1716 and is now "lost" and that the work as its known now was written 2 July 1723 and "adapted from BWV 147a". Anyone know more of the story here? I only know what I read in the other article. DavidRF (talk) 04:24, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Two works
At present the article covers two different works. I don't think they can be handled in one infobox without confusing the reader. The better solution could be to write two articles. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:42, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * BWV 147a --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:57, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Composed?
In the "History and words" section it starts by saying Bach composed it in Leipzig. In the lead, it says he wrote its predecessor back in the day, when he was still doing his Weimar Thang. I do see how both are encompassed in the article ... it's just the specific word "composed" that I'm finding a bit awkward. Is some sort of rephrase possible, please? And yes, I do know that if I were a proper editor and a decent intellectual I would suggest some alternatives ... but hey. FML. Help! 82.34.71.202 (talk) 22:04, 5 December 2016 (UTC)


 * "Composed" literally means "put together", I think it's the right term for a creation that partly uses older material, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:29, 5 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply Gerda. I feel a bit "yeah but no but" ... I do understand what "composed" means literally, but in this context I find it a little awkward. Talking about musical composition in an unexceptional way I find "composed" pretty much synonymous with "written", and we've already said when it was written, and then we seem to say it was written again in 1723, and to me that reads in a slightly contradictory manner. The lead gets it right - it was written, then expanded. Can we not try for something similar in the first body paragraph? Tell you what, if/when time permits I could have a bash at it ... but please don't hold your breath! Thanks 82.34.71.202 (talk) 22:22, 7 December 2016 (UTC)