Talk:Hetman

The bit about Prussia
The bit about Prussia and its cavalry and foreignness is highly confusing and really quite irrelevant to the article. Furthermore, it is very imprecise and only true in certain eras of the Prussian military which has no connection at all to the origin of the word "hetman". I suggest somebody remove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.75.236.119 (talk) 11:27, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: Both great and field hetmans were Senators of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth

Actually, this is not true. As u can see in my article which is based partialy on this article in Polish:

'Hetmans were also considered ‘ministers’ but had no right to be sited in the Senat.'

If u have any information contrary to mine, plz post - if not, I will amend the wiki entry soon.

Errr..Emax, I think u wanted in in main not talk? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:37, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * W zasadzie chcialem tutaj wsadzac obrazy hetmanow, wiec to nie byla pomylka;)--Emax 04:24, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Do Talku? Czemu? W artykule chyba lepsze miejsce? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 14:07, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Wpierw chcialem wstawiac portrety hetmanow (ktorych artykuly jeszcze nie istnieja) do siebie do galerii - pozniej postanowilem je jednak wstawiac tutaj, by w razie gdyby ktos stworzyl nowy artykul odrazu wstawil portret. Ale teraz sam odrazu tworze, wiec niema potrzeby wstwiac do mnie ani tutaj, brzmi troche skomplikowanie ;) --Emax 16:03, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Ataman
An anon added to Cossack artcl: or more likely derived from "ataman" in Turkish. And also added "ataman" here. What does in mean in Turkish, when did the word enter Turkish language; what is the relation with Haptmann? Mikkalai 18:39, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Am Heritage Dict through http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/ataman and http://www.bartleby.com/61/21/A0492100.html confirms Turkish etymology.
 * This Turkish dictionary http://www.seslisozluk.com/ cites Russian etymology
 * --Gene s 05:27, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Nonsense
It's really interesting what can be found on pages were certain people have edited, even though this jewel was written anonymously. None bothered to check, though. So, often used German words like "H/haupt" and "Mann" derive from foreign military ranks of which the etymology is not quite obvious? Or vice versa? --Matthead 00:21, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

_________ Nonsense revisited _______________

So there's no proof Matthead of the etymology but you go and stick your hypothesis anyway? It seems to me highly unlikely that hetman came from the german as there is no similar german military word at the time, whilst ataman existed. So unless you reply, I suggest we cut the etymology section. Comments? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.82.57.134 (talk) 08:28, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Plural
The article uses both Hetmans and Hetmen. Wiktionary says Hetmans is correct. I understand the tendency in English to pluralize everything ending with "-man" as "-men," but this is sometimes wrong (for example, Germans doesn't become Germen.)

Unless someone lets me know that I am wrong on this, I will change all instances of Hetmen to Hetmans. 75.170.82.115 (talk) 00:08, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Is it MARSHAL? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.28.220.22 (talk) 07:49, 4 November 2022 (UTC)