Talk:Heutagogy

Why?
Why would anyone delete the talk page? Heutagogy is a significant topic in instructional theory and learning theory development. (Stmullin (talk) 07:43, 3 April 2012 (UTC))

Hello
Hello I am a student from the University of South Carolina. We have an assignment to make a contribution to a Wikipedia page regarding a learning theory. We chose to read into heutagogy. One possible addition to this page would be to go into a little more detail regarding the strengths of a heutagogical approach within the overview of the article. This could be something like, "Heutagogy focuses on remaining flexible while learning. A teacher provides resources and material for the student, but the student designs the method through which the material will be processed. This way a student can determine which elements interest them and have relevance to their learning goal while constructing a curriculum that will provide the best results." Glencra (talk) 04:23, 4 December 2012 (UTC) Akjenkins (talk) 04:35, 4 December 2012 (UTC) kevindorford (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:54, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Problem with Greek
The Greek words have a mismatch between the Greek alphabet and Latinised versions. ευρετικός is not "heurista" but "euretikos"; εφευρετικός is not "heuretikos" but "epheuretikos", and εύρημα is not "heuriskein" but "eurēma". Solri (talk) 07:27, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I've edited it so that the English matches the Greek. Solri (talk) 10:55, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

The "h" is from the breath mark since Greek has no "h" equivalent. The proper spelling of the root verb is "εὕρημα". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.203.119.74 (talk) 14:53, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Possible copyright problem
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Not a new idea, just a new word
Referred here from WP:COIN. Note edits by. This appears to be someone's attempt to hang a new word on an old concept, self-determined learning, then take credit for it. Self-determined learning has a long history. The American Psychology Association has a bibliography on the subject.. Under the name "self-directed learning", there's a huge amount of literature. Wikipedia redirects self-directed learning to autodidacticism. Perhaps this article should also be re-directed there. John Nagle (talk) 06:37, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
 * See: Waldorf School, Montessori school, and this Wired article. This is well-trodden ground. John Nagle (talk) 06:47, 8 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I have boldy redirected to Autodidacticism.--ukexpat (talk) 20:09, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Self-determined learning in this sense isn't just autodidacticism (I reverted the edit redirecting it to the latter). Although I'm not an expert on this by any means, my understanding is that heutagogy is a sort of academic study of self learning from a pedagogical (an unfortunately loaded term in this context) or teaching and learning perspective (a study of how it works and how it can be used in, for example, education rather than a phenomenon of someone teaching themselves something). Note that I'm not arguing that the article is good and certainly not that we should keep any of the COI edits -- just that from the sources I looked at when it was AfDed some months ago it did seem a notable topic. --&mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 20:23, 8 December 2014 (UTC)


 * We're in a nomenclature mess. "Heutagogy" and "self-determined learning" seem to be very similar concepts.  "Self-determined learning" and "self-directed learning" are closely related.  Wikipedia redirects "self-directed learning" to "Autodidacticism".  But redirecting "Heutagogy" to "Autodidacticism" seems to be too big a jump.
 * The distinction seem to be between "self-taught without formal educational outside help", which is autodidacticism, and "learning in a formal educational environment in which the student has substantial control over the direction taken", which is "self-determined/directed learning". Maybe we should revive "self-directed learning" as a non-redirect article, move the sections of autodidacticism which cover organized schools such as Waldorf and Montessori over there, add some of the cites from the American Psychology Association, and put in anything in "Heutagogy" that's backed by WP:RS reliable sources.
 * This could use input from someone in the pedagogy field. John Nagle (talk) 21:07, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I tried looking for sources. It's like reading Derrida.  There's something related called "Education 3.0".. There's Andragogy, which is just adult education. Heutagogy seems to be a spin-off from that. Here's a discussion on ResearchGate, which, while a blog, gives some sense of the confusion about the field. There's a lot of activity in learner-directed education, especially since online courses became a big thing. It looks like the terminology hasn't settled out yet.  John Nagle (talk) 07:25, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Referred the problem to the Wikipedia education project: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Education John Nagle (talk) 07:42, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Discussion there indicated that terminology in the education space is so ambiguous that they could not help. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Education/Archive_8 John Nagle (talk) 17:51, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Further reading list from recent COI edits
There were several recent COI edits which were reverted. Rescuing here a rather long further reading list added by that user which may be useful for others to improve the article. Note that a few of these are primary, but many are not (those by Hase and/or Kenyon would be primary). Copying them here because I haven't vetted them and even if I had the list is much too long to just slap at the bottom of the article. Adding hatted below. --&mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 20:37, 8 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Ackoff, R. L. & Greenberg, D. (2008). Turning learning right side up: Putting education back on track. New Jersey: Pearson.
 * Albon, R. (2006). Motivation, dialogue, and heutagogy: Driving collaborative assessment online. In J. R. Parker (Ed.), Proceedings of the Second IASTED International Conference on Education and Technology. Calgary, AB: ACTA, 63–71.
 * Ashton, J. & Elliott, R. (2007). Juggling the balls – study, work, family and play: student perspectives on flexible and blended heutagogy. European Early Childhood Education Research Journal, 15(2), 167–81.
 * Ashton, J. & Newman, L. (2006). An unfinished symphony: 21st century teacher education using knowledge creating heutagogies. British Journal of Educational Technology, 37(6), 825–40.
 * Bhoyrub, J., Hurely, J., Neilson, G. R., Ramsay, M. & Smith, M. (2010). ‘Heutagogy: An alternative practice based learning approach, Nursing Education in Practice, 10, 322–326.
 * Blaschke, L.M. (2013). E-learning and self-determined learning skills. In S. Hase and C. Kenyon (Eds.) Self-determined learning: Heutagogy in action. London: Bloomsbury.
 * Blaschke, L. & Hase, S. (2014). Heutagogy, technology and lifelong learning: Curriculum geared for professional and part-time learners in Amber Dailey-Herbert (Ed.). Transforming processes and perspectives to reframe higher education. New York: Springer.
 * Blaschke, L.M. & Hase, S. (in press, 2015). Heutagogy: A holistic framework for creating 21st century self-determined learners. UK: Routledge.
 * Brandt, B. A. (2013). The learner’s perspective in S. Hase and C. Kenyon (Eds.) Self-determined learning: Heutagogy in action. London: Bloomsbury.
 * Canning, N. (2010). Playing with heutagogy. Exploring strategies to empower mature learners in higher education. Journal of Further and Higher Education, 34(1), 59–71.
 * Canning, N. & Callan, S. (2010). Heutagogy: Spirals of reflection to empower learners in higher education. Reflective Practice, 11(1), 71–82.
 * Canning, N. (2013). Practitioner development in early years learning in S. Hase and C. Kenyon (Eds.) Self-determined learning: Heutagogy in action. London: Bloomsbury.
 * Chapnick, S. & Meloy, J. (2005). Renaissance e-learning: Creating dramatic and unconventional learning experiences. San Francisco, CA: Pfeiffer.
 * Dick, B. (2013). Crafting learner-centred processes using action research and action learning. In S. Hase and C. Kenyon (Eds.) Self-determined learning: Heutagogy in action. London: Bloomsbury.
 * Eberle, J. H. (2013). Lifelong learning. In S. Hase and C. Kenyon (Eds.) Self-determined learning: Heutagogy in action. London: Bloomsbury.
 * Eberle, J. H. & Childress, M. D. (2006). Heutagogy: it isn’t your mother’s pedagogy any more. National Social Science Journal, 28(1), 28–32.
 * Foskey, R. (2013). Innovations in community education. In S. Hase and C. Kenyon (Eds.) Self-determined learning: Heutagogy in action. London: Bloomsbury.
 * Garnett, Fred. "What is heutagogy?"
 * Hase, S. & Kenyon, C. (2007). Heutagogy: A Child of Complexity Theory"], Complicity: An International Journal of Complexity and Education', Vol. 4(1)
 * Hase, S. (2009). Heutagogy and e-learning in the workplace: Some challenges and opportunities. Impact: Journal of Applied Research in Workplace E-learning, 1(1), 43–52.
 * Hase, S. (2010). Learner defined curriculum: Heutagogy and action learning in vocational training, Southern Institute of Technology Journal of Applied Research, Special Edition on Action Research. Retrieved from http://www.sit.ac.nz/documents/Publications/SITJAR%20AR%20edition%20A.pdf.
 * Hase, S. (2013). Learner defined learning. In S. Hase and C. Kenyon (Eds.) Self-determined learning: Heutagogy in action. London: Bloomsbury.
 * Hase, S., & Davis, L. (1999). Developing capable employees: The work activity briefing. Journal of Workplace Learning. 8, 35-42.
 * Hase, S. & Kenyon, C. (2000). From andragogy to heutagogy. ultiBASE, 5(3). Retrieved from http://epubs.scu.edu.au/gcm_pubs/99/.
 * Hase, S. & Kenyon, C. (2003). Heutagogy and developing capable people and capable workplaces: strategies for dealing with complexity. Proceedings of The Changing Face of Work and Learning Conference. Edmonton, AB: University of Alberta. Retrieved from: http://epubs.scu.edu.au/cgi/vwcontent.cgi?article=1123&context=gcm_pubs.
 * Hase, S., & Kenyon, C. (2013a). Self-determined learning: Heutagogy in action. London, UK: Bloomsbury Academic.
 * Hase, S. & Kenyon (2013b). The nature of learning in S. Hase and C. Kenyon (Eds.) Self-determined learning: Heutagogy in action. London: Bloomsbury.
 * Kenyon, C & Hase, S. (2010). Andragogy and heutagogy in postgraduate work. In T. Kerry (Ed.) Meeting the Challenges of Change in Postgraduate Higher Education. London: Continuum Press, 165–77.
 * Kenyon, C. & Hase, S. (2013). Heutagogy fundamentals. In S. Hase and C. Kenyon (Eds.), Self-determined learning: Heutagogy in action. London: Bloomsbury.
 * Kerry, T. (2013). Applying the principles of heutagogy to a postgraduate distance-learning program. In S. Hase and C. Kenyon (Eds.) Self-determined learning: Heutagogy in action. London: Bloomsbury.
 * McAuliffe, M.; Hargreaves, D.; Winter, A.; G Chadwick, G., "Does pedagogy still rule?", Australasian Journal of Engineering Education, Vol 15 No 1, Institution of Engineers Australia, 2009
 * Phelps, R., Hase, S. & Ellis, A. (2005). Competency, capability, complexity and computers: Exploring a new model for conceptualising end-user computer education. British Journal of Educational Technology, 36(1), 67–85.
 * Ramsay, M., Hurley, J. & Neilson, G. (2013). Workplace learning for nurses. In S. Hase and C. Kenyon (Eds.), Self-determined learning: heutagogy in action. London: Bloomsbury.
 * Tay, B. H. & Hase, S. (2004). The role of action research in workplace PhDs. Research in Action Learning and Action Research Journal, 9(1), 81-92.
 * Tay, B.H. & Hase, S. (2013). Transitioning from pedagogy to heutagogy. In S. Hase and C. Kenyon (Eds.), Self-determined learning: Heutagogy in action. London: Bloomsbury.
 * Whitworth, A. (2008). Learner generated contexts: Critical theory and ICT education. Paper presented at the 6th Panhellenic Conference on Information and Communication Technologies in Education, Limassol, Cyprus, 25–28 September.

Heutagogy entry in Wikipedia
As one of the two founders of heutagogy I tried to create an entry in Wikipedia. There is a significant literature about heutagogy developed since 2000.It is being used as a basis for curricula in schools, universities and other educational institutions around the globe. Two books and hundreds of papers have been written about the topic. The wikipedia page has, in my view, been subject to malicious attack for reasons that are unclear to me. In this 'Talk' about heutagog the claim has been made that it is equivalent to self-directed learning. This is completely false and clearly, whoever, made this claim has not read any of the seminal and subsequent academic world about heutagogy. Heutagogy is based in neuroscience, constructivism and the notion of human agency-not autodidactism as claimed. Again a misrepresentation.

I tried to correct these errors of understanding but was rejected due to the fact I had a vested interest in the topic. Who else should correct errors than the original author?

I would like the keepers of the gate of wikipedia to allow an entry about heutagogy to come to fruition and allow all the related academic work and debate about the concept be available. Otherwise, other sources will be seen as more relevant and up to date about a concept that is driving educational practice across the globe.

This issue also questions the validity of wikipedia given that significant achievements, knowledge and practice can be diminished as a result of misinformation and less than honest accusations.

Dr Stewart Hase, Australia Original author of heutagogy in 2000 and a significant record of publication about the topic.