Talk:Hex (TV series)

Overview
The second paragraph of the overview currently reads:

The show depicted teen sex, alcohol and drug use, mental illness, abortion, and human sacrifice. It was cancelled in April 2006 after the end of the second series.

This seems to imply that the show was canceled because of its depiction of those things. This is misleading editorializing (and not supported by the citation). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul Gorman (talk • contribs) 00:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Cast and Credit Issues
I hesitate to add a cleanup template since the page is constantly evolving (as is the prominence of the various characters within the show). There are, however, problems with the way the cast members are listed. IMO characters should be listed in their order of prominence in the show's credits, yet people seem to be adding characters haphazardly. In addition, the TV box template has a link to Christopher Judge, the American actor who plays Teal'c on Stargate SG-1, and who has never appeared on Hex! In addition, there are characters listed who were never regulars (Reverend George, Lilith Hughes) who should either not be listed at all or should be listed in a new subsection devoted to recurring or guest characters. In addition, some of the regular characters from series one (Cassie Hughes, Jo Watkins) became recurring characters in series two, IMO requiring additional notation for clarity, and recurring characters from series two (Jez/Ramiel) who are important to the plot are not listed at all. Canonblack 14:40, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I have a taken a crack at rectifying as many of the problems as I could solve myself. Feel free to correct as necessary. Canonblack 17:12, 22 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I've had a crack at reorganising the Cast List today, by taking the main characters that appear in most of the episodes of the two series and putting them underneath new series headings. In addition I've moved a few characters underneath the Recurring Cast list and have created stubs for all of the main characters. Ghandir 20:03, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

"See Also"
I'm removing the "See Also" section. The addition of the link to the article Azazeal is germane to this article, but is now incorporated in the "Synopsis" section. Discussion of the mythological Grigori and Nephilim are not germane to an article about this TV series, and the conflict between mythological "fact" and the TV programme's internal mythology have already been addressed in the "Influences" section. Links to the articles Nephilim and Grigori are also already found there. In addition, the anonymous user who added "Grigori" and Nephilim" to "See Also" didn't bother to check his spelling or the accuracy of his links, predisposing me to delete rather than correct. In other words, the "See Also" section is redundant and has been made inaccurate and slightly irrelevant. Canonblack 18:27, 23 October 2005 (UTC)


 * On reflection, I really like what Chaosfeary was doing with the "See Also" idea. We could really flesh out the subject without overloading this one page by having a summary of articles on characters from the show.  In my (admittedly long-winded) Synopsis, some characters get barely a nod and others get no mention at all.  However, since there is only the Azazeal article thus far, I have padded the section with links to articles that might be relevant to coverage of Hex: articles for Christina Cole, Colin Salmon, and Geraldine James (actors in this programme) and As If (previous production from the same producers).  I still don't agree that linking to articles on the Biblical Grigori and Nephilim are relevant, however, since we've established that Hex substantially deviates from the Biblical version.  Hex is fiction, and the producers are allowed artistic license.  It's not a documentary that might inspire viewers to "read more about it".  But if someone strongly disagrees, I won't remove Grigori and Nephilim links that are re-added to this section. Canonblack 12:18, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

The Synopses
Although I'll be the first to argue against Hex's similarities with Buffy, I do really like what has been done with the Episode List, the relevent Episode Pages (example), the Character List and the corresponding Character Pages (example). Now obviously I could just go around creating stubs for the Hex characters and episodes and link it all up but it'd just get removed for being rubbish, so I'm going to start work on /some/ of the pages first. Of course primarily I want to check with the main contributors of this page that I'd have the support of them for what I'm attempting - and of course any help would be great. Drop me a line.. Ghandir 20:03, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Um, well, Hex is a small and cancelled show. I helped with the expansion of the Charmed articles by designing al templates for the characters and rewriting parts of the bios which were full of fanny nonsense. But I don't see how there's enough information in 18 episodes of Hex to warrant a full category of pages. How about a page for Hex characters that incorporates all of them, and a page for Hex episodes with small bios and descriptions, with links to the IMDB and TV.com pages for them instead? Zythe 23:54, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Zythe, for the most part. Is it just me, or do the synopses seem absurdly long? I think I will take a crack at abbreviating or paraphrasing some of it.Arcayne 15:32, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Thelma has her own wikipedia entry ao i was thinking of doing one for Cassie and Ella and doing a page for all the other smaller characters, as they are not key characters i think pone entry will suffice to cover them all. Also do you think an episode guide would be a good idea? Chris1989uk 18:01, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Influences
The Buffy language reference needs to be clarified. The example of "über" is a poor one and the sentence contradicts itself; if true it should be footnoted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.19.186.2 (talk • contribs) 22:59, 18 June 2006


 * I agree. I'm going to remove the example until someone can provide a citation for it, not least because I think it's really strange to claim that "über" didn't enter mainstream vocabulary until 2002.  Besides which, if we're acknowledging that the word is in the mainstream already, then regardless of whether it's Buffy that put it there or not, then its use in Hex can hardly be used as an example of the show borrowing from Buffy.  I'll leave in the general claim of borrowed dialogue for now, but I'd like someone to come up with some better examples of lines lifted directly from Buffy.  Binabik80 02:31, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I re-removed the "Buffy speak" section again. It is poorly documented at best that such a thing even exists, and even if it did, does it apply to Hex.  Smattering a script with a few pop-cultural tidbits is not an example of a writing-style. Web Warlock 19:56, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Its well documented that Buffy-Speak exists. This has been spoken off by Joss Whedon, and many of the creative team of BTVS. I would even agree that this show is obviously trying to capture some of the same popularity. It seems rather obvious. I think those are better points to make(if someone can find reference points) then putting all that energy into the plot. The plot is too long and doesn't make any sense. Can anyone clarify and shorten it? First of all, can someone explain why we know that Azazeal is evil? I didn't understand why he was so certainly the bad guy. Also, if the problem with the pregnancy was that the other Nephilim were going to be free to come to earth what ever came of that as Malachi kept on living? Shouldn't an army of them have appeared? Clear these things up if you can, anyone!
 * This is a two and a half year old thread. I don't know if anyone with access to WP:Reliable sources is still reading.--Peter cohen (talk) 09:33, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Über didn't enter the mainstream vocabulary until 2002?? Where did that little factoid come from. It's been in English-speaking entertainment at least since the 70's (with popular usage in Monty Python and other series). I would hazard a guess that most folk who speak German would have a bit of a problem with that statement, mate.Arcayne 15:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC) Even if it was a german word, using it in the English language would mark a big change. BTVS definitely had an impact on language.

I only see references to Buffy. So far, no one has mentioned Anne Rice's Mayfair witches as an influence. I just watched season one (US) on DVD and it seems to be a complete rip-off of her Mayfair / Lasher books. Anyone else share this opinion? Jeff 23:47, 27 June 2007


 * More importantly, does someone we can reliably cite share this opinion? - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  06:02, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Cassie's fate (spoilers!)
Does anyone know if Cassie's death was planned from the start, or if the actress who portrayed her wanted to leave so they killed her off? --DrBat 15:12, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Actress left, screwed plans for s2. ~ZytheTalk to me! 23:59, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the directors (or producers or whomever) filmed a shower scene in which her breasts were exposed. As she was not made aware of this violation of her 'no nudity clause' of her contract, she left the series. The producers had only themselves to blame.Arcayne 15:43, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I purged the 'Deeper into the darkness' quote, because it simply didn't belong there, having nothing to do with the article.Arcayne 15:45, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

LGBT Related?
Is the show really LGBT-related? It might have some episodes that deal with LGBT issues, but is the whole show? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:04, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * There are three gay characters in the series.--NeilEvans 19:13, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Three out of nineteen doesn't seem like enough to label the show "LGBT-related"... -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 22:00, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * thelma is one of the main characters in both series, so I think it should be left as LGBT related.--NeilEvans 22:52, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Citation needed
The following statements:


 * It was marketed by Sky as "the British Buffy" and was also compared with Charmed, but in the June 9 2006 issue of Entertainment Weekly, the creators stated that whereas Charmed and Buffy were send-ups of the horror genre, Hex took its mythology seriously and not for camp.

Need citation. As well, the statement identifying the issue of Entertainment Weekly is placed incorrectly. It needs to be turned into a properly cited reference. Please see WP:EXTERNAL or WP:ATT for assistance. It cannot remain in the form it is in currently, and will be removed in a few days unless it is converted. :) Arcayne   (cast a spell)  16:43, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I'd also question the inclusion of it at all. The only reason to include it would be to give some idea about the show (particularly since the structure of the sentence juxtaposes the Producers description with the assertion that it was "marketed as" the British Buffy, thus suggesting that their description is accurate.) Yet in my experience Hex is FAR more camp in style and tone than Buffy ever was. (comment added by User:24.218.221.152)

Just a note: almost a week has gone by without any additions of citations to the article. I will wait until Teusday 6/12/07, and then I will start removing uncited info to the Discussion area. Use the time wisely. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  01:36, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * As promised, the uncited info has been removed from the article to the section below. When reliable, verifiable citations are provided, they can be placed back intot he article, but not until then. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  19:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Removed statements

 * "It mixes elements of gothic horror, soap opera, and modern teen dramedy."
 * "Hex was developed by the creators of As If."
 * "It was marketed by Sky as "the British Buffy" and was also compared with Charmed, but in the June 9 2006 issue of Entertainment Weekly, the creators stated that whereas Charmed and Buffy were send-ups of the horror genre, Hex took its mythology seriously and not for camp ."
 * "BBC America has also edited Hex for content, removing and/or changing nudity, violence and language."
 * "Influences - Hex borrows very loosely from biblical Apocrypha, such as The Book of Enoch. For example, the fallen angels referred to in the programme as "the Nephilim" were called the "Watchers" or "Grigori" in later apocryphal texts. It was the offspring of the Grigori by mortal women who were called the Nephilim. In some late apocryphal texts, the Nephilim were giants of great size, yet Azazeal is no taller than a normal, tall man, even in his non-human form. The spelling and pronunciation of Azazeal's name has also been altered from an apocryphal version, and in that version, he was a leader of the Grigori, not of the Nephilim."
 * "Ella Dee's 'Book of Orokiah' is similar to the Book of Shadows from Charmed, containing information as how to kill demons and protect oneself from evil, etc.."

Additional removed statements
The song listings for the episodes need citation. As far as I can tell, the episodes don't credit the music used within the series, anc closed-captioning of the episodes do not reveal it, either. So, how are the song titles beign arrived at? When they are cited,they can be reintroduced tothe article, and not before:


 * Music (section)


 * Series One (sub-section)
 * Episode 1
 * Blur - "Crazy Beat"
 * N.E.R.D - "Rock Star Poser" (Jason Nevins mix)
 * Beverly Knight - "Come As You Are"
 * The Concretes - "You Can't Hurry Love"
 * Pleasure- "Sensitivity" (as Cassie is traced)


 * Episode 2
 * N.E.R.D - "She Wants To Move"
 * PJ Harvey - "We Float"


 * Episode 3


 * The Kills - "Kissy Kissy"
 * Joss Stone - "Super Duper Love"


 *  Episode 4 
 * N.E.R.D - "Don't Worry About It"
 * Kurt Elling (sung by Trevor Waters) - "Close Your Eyes"
 * Infadels - "Can't Get Enough (Mekon Remix)"
 * Trulife - "seraphimia"
 * Helicopter Girl - "Satan's Seventh Bride"


 *  Episode 5 
 * Blur - "Sweet Song"


 * Series Two (sub-section)
 * "' Episode 1 ''
 * Timo Maas feat. Brian Molko - "First Day"
 * Gorillaz - "Feel Good Inc."


 *  Episode 8 
 * Katrine De Candole - "Look me over closely"

Is/was
The show was cancelled. It is not on anymore. Therefore, it was a show. It doesn't meet the criteria for "is a show". - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  23:37, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You say that the tense use is per the guidelines. If you could provide a link to the relevant bit that may convince your interlocutor.--Peter cohen (talk) 10:11, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Anyone familiar with this series care to add it to this list?
Types of mythological or fantastic beings in contemporary fiction is a page of, well, fantasy works (movie, TV, written, whatever) and the assorted mythological and/or fantastic critters they contain. This series would possibly qualify. Anyone care to add it? Tamtrible (talk) 01:03, 11 September 2017 (UTC)