Talk:Hey Jude/Archive 3

Hey Jules or Hey Jools?
Hi, in the German Artikel about Julian Lennon it's said, that the original title was "Hey Jools", as it is written so in the Beatles Anthology, Page 297 (http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Julian_Lennon&diff=26133870&oldid=26122671). Your source, the Website http://www.beatles-discography.com/h.html is no longer available. So maybe this passage should be changed (and also the references)? And the same in Julian Lennon? -- Cornelia -etc. 15:37, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * "Many Years From Now", quoting McCartney, says "Hey Jules". IMO, It's not important which spelling is used except the spelling should match the quote that is cited. If the Anthology quote is in the article and cited, then the quote has to match the source character by character including the spelling. In other areas where we aren't using direct quotes, that's a different matter. Then, I think we should choose one spelling (I prefer "Jules") and add a footnote that says both spelling have appeared in quotes or whatever. John Cardinal 00:45, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Editing Mistakes
I screwed something up while editing today, somehow reverting to an earlier version. I am not sure how I did it, but anyway, I put it back to the way it was when I started. Some of the changes were important, such as the correction of the statement that Hey Jude was intended as an album track; 3 reliable sources say that isn't the case, including McCartney (interview), Lewisohn, and MacDonald. John Cardinal 23:16, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Length
Several lengths are quoted in the article. 7:11, 7:05, etc. The Past Masters Vol 2 CD version is 7:06. I assume the vinyl single was 7;11, as that's the time I've heard the most, but I don't have a source for it. Does anyone have access to the original Apple single or a reliable source? John Cardinal 08:44, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Joel Whitburn points out in one of his books that several singles have incorrect timings and may be off a few seconds. I would say that's the case with "Hey Jude"; my CD version clocks in at 7:06.  Whitburn was checking on some of these for one of his books (though I can't remember which one), but wasn't changing them in his book unless they were off by more time than that.  The time he points out in his Top Pop Hits is 7:11.  Squad51 23:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The single, which is in mono, has a slightly longer fade-out than the album cut, which is in stereo, thus the variations in time from mono version to stereo version (as found on the Past Masters Vol. 2 CD). Cheemo 06:39, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Lennon's exclamation
It doesn't matter what you think you hear him say. It matters what the evidence says. If your ears are good, then you should be able to find a reliable source who agrees, and can be cited. No WP:OR. Meanwhile, the citation for that information has been undermined by the edits, and so we have a partly-bogus citation. You can't just edit a cited bit of evidence to suit your bias. Ifd you change it, then you have to remove the citation, or add a dissenting view supported by another reliable source, or something. Otherwise, Wikipedia citations will be useless. The Craig Cross book reports that Lennon said effing hell, and it should be restored by one of the people who changed it without realizing what they were doing. I didn't bother to check the whole paragraph but it should be brought in line with what the source supports. &mdash; John Cardinal 03:58, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Bass
Lewisohn says McCartney added a bass track on 1 August, but also says it was wiped to free a separate track for strings. There's clearly a bass on the record, and it sounds like Paul, and MacDonald says it is Paul, so I put the credit back in (with a citation) after it was deleted today. If someone can produce evidence that it was Harrison or Lennon, change it, but with a cite, of course. John Cardinal 05:16, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Jude Law was named after this song
Jude Law was named after this song

Shouldnt it be mentioned here? under coltrual effects, I suppose?

Yes, that would go under cultural references. It would be better if you have a source, of course. (The River Phoenix comment needs a source, as well.)--Curt Franklin 23:56, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey Jude album
The first comments at the top of this page are about the need to mention that Hey Jude was also the name of a compilation album. Those comments were posted in 2004, but there's still no mention of the album on this page. Also, on the Beatles Discography page, it's mentioned under UK albums as the "official UK relase of US album," but it's not mentioned under the US albums. Could someone who knows about this album please post some information on it?

I agree with the comments above that the album doesn't rate its own page, but I do think it should get its own subheading on this page. It would be nice to see the track listing, which is what I actually came here looking for. Thanks. Curt Franklin 23:49, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

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