Talk:Heyward Shepherd monument

Name clarification
What is this man's name? The article is titled Shepherd Heyward, but the body refers to Heyward Shepherd. Other sources give his name as Haywood Shepherd. This should be clarified. 66.24.101.10 (talk) 14:44, 17 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Today name spellings are fixed. In previous centuries, and I've seen it in modern Brazil, the question of how someone's name "should" be spelled would be almost incomprehensible. Many historical figures have multiple spellings of their names: Cervantes, Ceruantes, and Cerbantes, for example. The person him- herself might not always sign their name the same way. (Heyward was probably illiterate.) There was no way to determine what spelling was correct, so most paid it little attention. deisenbe (talk) 21:24, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * WP uses WP:Reliable sources. Do you have any? BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 02:40, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Official records state it's Haywood. White supremacist groups from decades later record it at Heyward. I don't think it's complicated to say which one of those is more reliable for the actual person, ignoring that the monument's name is different. Deisenbe is also confusing some things there. Different dialects and languages can spell the same name in different ways. B and v can replace each other in different dialects for instance, or are completely interchangeable, as can v and u. V is infact a variation of u, whenever you see a Latin word with a v, that v is making a sound closer to a u or a w (in Latin some letters can be consonants or vowels in different circumstances, like y does in English). This is not the case with the name Haywood. Might be for the Hay- part, definitely not for the -wood part though. Wood is not replaceable with ward, in sound (except by some accents with some variation of an intrusive r sound, which is generally a British and New England/New York thing) or spelling (even for those with an intrusive r. What is pronounced "warsh" or "idear" is still spelled "wash" or "idea", respectively). We know how his name was spelled by him and his family from official records, contemporary newspapers, and the monument erected by his actual family (which is not this one, it does not use a variation of the n-word on it). It's pretty disrespectful that the article continues to misname Haywood as Heyward in parts not specifically dealing with the monument itself, but with the real individual. 64.231.153.235 (talk) 18:08, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

To do
Haven't yet read shackel article. deisenbe (talk) 09:46, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

NPOV
The article is a personal refutation of the "Lost Cause" by the author of the lead: "Wise must have known what he was saying was not true." I do not disagree with the conclusions, but how they are presented. Creuzbourg (talk) 11:39, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I removed that statement and the template. deisenbe (talk) 19:44, 2 July 2021 (UTC)